joining me now to discuss his national correspondent at the washington post matthew brown. ng us on this. let's talk through some of your reporting on this, as we kind of await this decision from judge aileen cannon on this labor day weekend. a lot of folks wondering why it hasn't come down, because it seemed as if, when we are headed into thursday, she already had her mindset as to what she was going to do, leaning towards appointing a special master. the lot of circumstances have subsequently changed since then. what are you hearing from folks? what is your reporting telling you about when this decision could come down and how it could come down? >> definitely, so, it's very clear from what we're hearing at the washington post that the judge is likely to say that a special master should be appointed in this case. i think it's important to describe just what a special master is here. it is essentially a judges assistant, someone who, in regular cases, helps with things like discovery and going through documents to find things. like, as trump claims, what would be protected

joins us is matthew brown, "washington post" reporter who got this rare interview.n us with. tell us more about what else she told you. >> she talked about the investigation expanded and we know from the beginning that the district attorney was interested in calls that the former president trump made to georgia lawmakers but now she is interested in, for instance, the interference in southern georgia, and we know she has expanded it to potentially looking into inquiries from what we have heard, into potential racketeering charges. that is then been an interesting situation, given her comments, in concert with the comments she told us, in the interview. >> there's a big question about whether she is going to call in former president trump to testify and she tells you, and i want to quote here, she says a decision is going to have to be made, she says and i imagine it is going to be made late this fall, which to me, like i don't want to reiterate but to me late this fall reads after the midterms, right? i guess you can consider late fall to before the midterms and tal

brown: i will now introduce the five witnesses. professor matthew desmond, a professor of sociology at princeton and the author of the book evicted. he is also director of the division lab at princeton. welcome. laura brunner is the president and chief executive officer of the port of greater cincinnati development authority. prior to joining the port she spent 15 years in accounting. miss morey is a small property owner living in seaford, new york. she is joining us i believe from either her home or office in new york. mr. darian dunn is the managing partner at atlantica properties. a real estate investment and asset management companies. in the state of two of our members of this community. he is also a civil engineer, i understand. and miss diane is the president of the national low income housing coalition. she served as director of public housing and management at hud in washington. and she is almost a regular in this committee. welcome. professor desmond, if you would begin? thank you. prof. desmond: chairman brown, ranking member toomey, than

. >> chairman brown, ranking member to meet, members of the committee, thank you for the opportunity to testify before you this morning. my name is matthew desmond. i'm a professor of sociology at princeton university, where i directly eviction laugh, which is a research group dedicated to understanding the causes and consequences of housing instability. i come before you today gravely concerned about millions of american families brutalized by our countries painful and utterly unpredictably predictable housing crisis. since 1985, prices have exceeded income games by 325%. most poor renting families today spent half of their income on housing costs, with one in for spending over 70% of their income on shelter costs alone. last year, rent increased faster than they ever have on record. nationwide, median asking rent increased by 17% in a single year. some cities thought rent increases double. that since last march, runs have risen 30%. in orlando, 29%. in cincinnati, 22%. in dallas, this, it's the inflation crisis on steroids. when the price of gas goes up, we can adjust. when the price of food goes up, we can adjust, eating out. last but