talking to strangers, matthew clyde well. malcolm gladwell. excellent. and this other one, that is new, the color compromise. like to speak. as he talks about how racism and slavery influenced 30 years. how you recommend. >> now, we talked about, before closing, the lasting immigration, and we talked about climate change. we are going to talk about either? >> we were mentioning, with immigration column comes this whole terrible practice of family separation. how can that be morally, spiritually justified in any way? any shape? any form? regardless of party, regardless of background. taking babies from their parents? come on. that is-- that should unite folks from across the religious spectrum. >> sure. true. >> i think one of those things you are looking at, folks that are going back 20, 30 years, to find out that they had a misdemeanor or some other charges, and using that as a basis to separate their kids, when they have lived a clean life, a decent life, a hard- working life. so, just a separation of families is just unconscionable. >> some of my memo