to give us the health surcharge when we're not spending the money on health care, etc.. >> i'm matthew cohen. i'm glad to be before the supervisors, for one thing, this is the information we had, and when we saw this information, we found that even though we knew more information was going to come out subsequent to that, this is really indicative of a process which we felt was not something that you can merely look away from even with the amendment that was passed, and for one thing, i am

to give us the health surcharge when we're not spending the money on health care, etc.. >> i'm matthew cohen. i'm glad to be before the supervisors, for one thing, this is the information we had, and when we saw this information, we found that even though we knew more information was going to come out subsequent to that, this is really indicative of a process which we felt was not something that you can merely look away from even with the amendment that was passed, and for one thing, i am kind of concerned that even though money is supposed to be set aside for workers and if you're using the hra's, if the private employers and a considerable amount of them employ their own accounts, this discourages employees from coming in and basically you're telling their employers what you need the medical expenses for, it's an invasion of privacy, i would rather, it's nothing we saw in the revised legislation that actually standardized guidelines, as far as we know, employers can still insist on whatever they can restrict their guidelines to whatever extent they want, and i think that this, in essence,

based on what's going forward, i'd like to turn the podium over to my colleagues, kay evans and matthew could cohen to address the issue. >> just one second, i think the reason i'm bringing this up is -- and i don't want to speak for president chu, we're coming from a similar place, i have great respect for the civil grand jury and i know a lot of people served on it and it's important work and people work an enormous amount of effort into this and as a result when reports get released, the press focuses on them, it gets a lot of attention as it should because it's important work and the civil grand jury's done good work over the years, and so, you know, as a result, i should think it's important always to know what the data was and what the limitations are and so it's good that we're having this dialog but i just wanted it to be very clear what this is, with that said, thank you. >> good afternoon, supervisors, in 2008, the city and county of san francisco initiated its historical universal health care program for all rez dens of san francisco, the san francisco civil grand jury thinks our city sh