host: matthew dallek joining us now, the author of the burke -- the book "mergers," -- birchers," good morning. guest: thank you for having me. host: how would you put this joe biden seven away from the race in historical context? guest: the closest omens were harry truman and lyndon johnson, 52 and 68, incumbent presidents eligible to run for another term who said -- nope, i'm not, i'm not doing this again. the other analogy to both of them is that they were very unpopular. truman, february of 1952, 20 2% approval, which is extremely low . lbj, the war in vietnam was a disaster. so, they were very unpopular nationally but also within their own parties. so, the circumstances today i think are very different. biden has obviously been drawn much deeper into the campaign, into the general election, essentially, but he's also obviously quite unpopular it it is that internal party pressure that at least, in part, i think, drove all three from seeking another term. host: for the other two that you mentioned, was it that unpopularity that was the main driver, or were there other factors? gues