matthew dowd is back with me. a vote on restrictive voting bills. democrats who fled the state last month to block it will have to decide whether they're going to stay out of texas. is this the best way to fight this? is there any more that can be done there? >> well, at this moment, procedurally, it's the only way to keep it from happening at this moment. ultimately i think that greg abbott is going to have to face the wrath of the voters in 2022, and that will ultimately be the decision in this lengthy period of time. but right now the texas democrats have the only power they have is to keep a quorum from happening. how long they can maintain it is, i think, dicey. i think they're going to keep pushing it. i mean greg abbott is in a race to be the worst possible governor in the country. and if the only one he's got competition with right now is governor desantis of florida, i think, it's not only voting rights decisions and putting restrictions up. it's preventing local jurisdictions and schools from requiring m

and matthew dowd founder of country over party. and mayor turner, i am just going to let you respond to your lieutenant governor. he thinks the black people in texas are to blame for the covid surge. your thoughts? >> absolutely ridiculous. makes no sense. goes contrary to the facts. if it's not the immigrants or latinos, then it must be african-americans. the lieutenant governor was just flat-out wrong, and his comments were offensive and should not be ignored. and people across the board even republicans should reject that statement. we cannot blame this surge that's happening in texas on african-americans. the reality is that -- this -- this mismanagement, you know, people haven't taken this seriously. haven't given out the right facts. they are not encouraging people to wear their mask. they are not doing enough to encourage people to get vaccinated and let me just say this, joy. if you an elected official, i don't care what party you may be affiliated, we have a responsibility to represent every single person. whether people v

eugene, i would like to begin with you, by reading a quote from our mutual friend matthew dowd, and he writes this today. the response by the gop and so many democrats in d.c. to events in afghanistan underlines what i have been saying for years. gop feels no shame and democrats feel shame way too quickly. biden is right in what he is doing. support him vigorously. eugene, what do you make of that sentiment? >> well, i think his line about republicans feeling no shame is certainly right. we've seen that time and time again, i think there is a bottom line question here, do you or do you not think it was time for the united states to leave afghanistan, after 20 years? should we have stayed or should we have left? and if you think we should have stayed, don't have a say for how much longer, but if you think we should have stayed, then maybe you have a point to make, if you agree, with the basic point that we should've left, president biden, maybe he sounds defensive, maybe he sounds self justifying, but i think he's right. there was no graceful way to lose this war, there was no graceful

matthew dowd, former george w. bush strategist and founder of country over party. great to have you both. thank you for coming on. matthew, i'll begin with you because of something our mutual friend nicole wallace said this afternoon on live television after the president spoke. she summed up his speech this way -- 95% of the american people will agree with him. 95% paraphrasing of the kind of twitter media complex that people i refer -- affectionately repeat -- referred to as the sheep pizza. do you concur? >> i don't know about the percentages, i think the american public will agree with what he said. there is criticism coming from a lot of different people, which i find quite amazing. people that actually pushed the war to begin with, that was a huge mistake. and people that were part of an administration that exasperated the problem and they are also criticizing joe biden in the midst of this. what will ultimately happen area 70 to 75% of the american public wanted us to withdraw and has wanted us to withdraw for more than ten years. joe biden happens to be the

here to talk about it is juanita tolliver, a veteran progressive strategist and matthew dowd, founderf country over party, it is good to see you both. republicans wasted no time coming down on biden for the exit from afghanistan. critique, accountability, that comes with a job. but floating ways to punish the president seems counterproductive, no? >> well, they have never let facts get in the way of anything they have said, or the principles of the constitution or what we are supposed to stand for his values of our country. none of that gets in the way of what they do. so i find it amazing that kevin mccarthy in that piece that you just played talked about a president can't govern if they don't have the faith, trust and confidence of the american people. well he served a president for four years that never, not even one day, had the faith, confidence and trust of the american public. i just think this is again, not a time where we are supposed to be scoring political points in the midst of this. we just lost 13 service members in the midst of this. we have already evacuated 110,000 pe

. >> matthew dowd is here. he is the former-chief strategist for president george w. uthor of "revelations on the river." matthew, i appreciate you joining me to talk about this. thousands of american lives have been lost. trillions of dollars, spent, in this conflict. as of just a few weeks ago, 55% of americans, 55% said that they approved of biden's handling of the withdrawal. and even before that, just getting out, the numbers were higher than that for people who approved us getting out of afghanistan. do you think that's still going to be the case, after today? >> um, well, i think, on -- on -- on -- on the whether or not we should have gotten out, it'll still be 70% plus and i think it will cross republican, democrat, and independent. that will stay true because, i think, the american public is exhausted by this. and they were sold a bill of goods, as you know, from the very beginning, under bush, who i worked for, about why we were going in there. and 20 years later, we were still in there. so, i think, they still want to see us out of here. i think he'll probab

i want to bring in matthew dowd, a former-chief strategist for president george w. bush. his perspective. so let's go. lot to talk about, matthew. thank you. president biden defiant. also, saying u.s. troops will stay in afghanistan, until every american is out past the august-31st deadline. he must realize the facts, on the ground, are really dire and he's got to get this done? >> well, i think he understood that. that's why the decision he made was so hard and which is why no other president had made the decision, from seven years of bush to -- to -- to eight years of president obama. and then, trump, obviously. i have been very critical of trump's happened in the last 72 hours. the soldiers gave up proved him right. which is they weren't capable of governing their country. and no matter when we left, this was gonna happen. >> yeah. listen. i had been listening to you and -- and reading what you have been writing. and you think -- you are very, shall i say, bullish on the president's decision. and what the president has done. and quite frankly, you believe that democrat

joining me now is christina greer, associate professor of political science and matthew dowd, founder of country over party. matthew, i'm going to go to you on this first. i'm watching this situation where republicans have decided that where they're going to draw the line and the hill they're going to die on is that those of us who have gotten vaccinated, who are afraid of covid, who are masking, will not be allowed to create covid-free spaces for ourselves. that we must allow covid into our space. that we cannot prevent it. that we will not be allowed to keep covid out of our schools, our businesses, a cruise ship. that's where -- that's the hill they're dying on. does that make any sense to you as a political matter? why do they think that's the smart political case to make? >> well, it makes sense only from the regards of appealing to a very tiny select base, which is now occupying the republican party. i mean to me this is a broader thing which affects all issues but this one especially and climate change, as you mentioned. the republican party has become the party of me. of me. n

joining me now, matthew dowd, the former chief strategist for president george w. bush. d on amazon now. matthew, thank you for joining. air strikes tonight. biden vowed revenge. this is fast. >> well, you know, i think the president has shown that he's capable of saying what he means and then following through on it and doing multiple things simultaneously that i think some of us aren't used to in leadership. so he said he was going to get the people out of afghanistan, and it's gone better than expected from what people said at the beginning of this. he said he was going to go after the terrorists that committed this act against our troops, and he's doing it. so, you know, bravo to president biden. he says what he's going to do, and he does it. >> you know, this war has been going on for 20 years. i want to play what the president said yesterday and then what the former president, former president bush said after 9/11. watch this. >> we will respond with force and precision at our time, at the place we choose and the moment of our choosing. >> this conflict was begun on

with me, matthew dowd, and lucas kuntz, a former marine officer who served in afghanistan and iraq and a candidate for u.s. senate from missouri. i want to start with you mr. kuntz, thank you for your service, and i'm fascinating to get your take on the end of this war as somebody who fought in it. >> yeah, absolutely, joy, so i've been talking to a lot of my friends, people who were over there with me. i was in afghanistan 2012, 2013, and again in 2014, and like right now, most of us are just feeling this sense of sort of grim relief, just relieved that, you know, not another service member is going to come home mangled or dead. and so i would say, though, that that is paired with this very deep frustration that the same people who kept us there for 20 years, you know, the people who day after day were like, oh, just one more day, just one more month, just one more dollar, just one more marine, like those people who claimed to the american people that we were building something worthwhile there, that obviously then collapsed in two weeks, those people are controlling the narrative sti

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i want to bring in matthew dowd, a former strategist for george w. bush. so let's go. lots to talk about. president biden defiant and saying u.s. troops will stay in afghanistan until every american is out. pass the august 31st deadline. he must realize the facts on the ground are dire and he's got to get this done. i think he understood that. that's why the decision he made what so hard. they asked president obama and trump and i've been critical of trump. i thought trump's decision of withdrawing from i think the overall decision was i think president biden has proved, i you this he's been proved out by what is happening. and they gave up and proved him right which is they weren't capable of governing their country and no matter when we left this was going to happen. i have been listening to you and reading what you have been writing. and you think you're very, shall i say, bullish on the president's decision and what the president has done. quite frankly, you believe that democrats -- that everyone should be, but especially democrats should be rallying behind the pr

to my friend, matthew dowd, let me say this. this is an evenly divided country, as much as we don't like it. now, i can argue that the middle of the country, whether you go from the center left to center right and everything in between, those are the supermajorities you're talking about. and i agree with you. there are supermajorities for gun control. there are supermajorities for many things that we need to be talking about. roe v. wade and certainly voters' rights. campaign finance reform. but we have a razor thin margin in washington, d.c. it's not a supermajority. it's a razo thin majority. they're not aoc, they're not people from bright red states. they're not ted cruz but people from states that could go either way. and it's never easy to pass anything in congress when you have majorities that are this thin. never in the history of our congress has it been easy to pass anything, anything, if it's this evenly divided. i want to make the point that the people who are going to decide whether or not we're in the majority going

matthew dowd. editor at large for the daily beast, molly jong fast. fternoon. matthew, let me start with you first. is there anything that will convince those republicans who are holding out at this point? those baltimore city memes are pretty good. >> i think there's a certain percentage left of the american public that i think can still be convinced, but the deep sort of regarded republicans that are still strongly supporting donald trump and everything that they currently stand for, which obviously includes all this anti-science stuff, i don't think there's anything that will change their mind. they have become emotionally and culturally attached to the idea of no masks and no vaccines. so no rational argument, and i think no comedic argument will change their mind. yes, do i think it can be successful to a small percentage of hesitant people that aren't deeply republican? maybe. but that's a dwindling percentage. the 30% or 25% that's deeply republican, i don't think a single rational argument or even something with humor will move them. >> that is

here to talk about it -- tolliver and matthew dowd. good to see you both.start with you, matt. republicans wasted no time coming down on biden for the exit from afghanistan. critique, accountability, those come with the job. but floating ways to punish the president seems counterproductive, no? >> they've never let facts get in the way of anything they've said, or the principles of the constitution or our values. none of that gets in the way of what they do. i find it amazing that kevin mccarthy talked about a president can't govern if they don't have the faith, trust, and confidence of the american people. he served a president for four years that never, not even one day, had the faith, confidence, and trust of the majority of the american public. this is not a time where we're supposed to be scoring political points in the midst of this. we just lost 13 service members, and we've evacuated 110,000 people, double what people said that biden couldn't do. i think as of right now, president biden has done yeoman's work in the midst of this, at a time of immen

matthew dowd is back with me.tomorrow to try to force a vote on restrictive voting bills. democrats have to decide whether they'll stay out of texas. is this the best way to fight this? is there any more that can be done there? >> at this moment, pro proceedurally, i think that's what has to happen. ultimately, i think greg abbott will face the wrath of the voters, but texas democrats, they have to keep a quorum from happening. i think they're going to keep pushing it. greg abbott is in a race to be the worst possible governor in the country. the only one he has competition with is governor desantis of florida. restricting local jurisdictions and schools from requiring masks, and i've lived in texas for 35 years, raised four children here, buried two children in texas. it's a state i love. i love the people. i cannot stand our leaders. and greg abbott is the dr. evil of texas government. everything he does is cruel and craven. >> you mentioned ron desantis of florida, today questioning joe biden's memory, after he

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matthew dowd became disillusioned with president bush over the war in iraq.the gop and so many democrats in d.c. to events in afghanistan underlines what i have been saying for years. gop feels no shame and democrats feel shame way too quickly. biden is right in what he is doing. support him vigorously. joining me now is ben rhodes, former national security advisor for president barack obama and jennifer rubin, author of the upcoming book "resistance, how women saved democracy from donald trump." thank you very much for being here, both of you. ben, i'm going to start with you because i'm going to read a different "washington post" columnist to jennifer. i'm going to read a little from david ignatius' piece in "the post." here's what he wrote. i thought it was brilliantly written and comprehensive. the structure of the kabul government has been rotting from within for all 20 years of the united states war. every u.s. commander knew its weakness. they worried about the corruption and incompetence of the government, devised elaborate strategies to fix it, kept

ma matthew j. dowd, you would describe the media coverage as what? top without introspective from the beginning. they added a perspective in the final days, but at the beginning they didn't have a perspective on it. my sense of it is we should judge it on the data of what's happened and not by anecdotes, and sometimes the press has a tendency to judge things by anecdotes and not the data. and the data for the last week shows joe biden has basically gotten 30,000 people out of afghanistan without a single loss of an american life. >> amanda, what's your critique of the coverage? >> i agree, it's been over the top. i think that we were reminded of the factors that got us into some of the wars to begin with, which is there tends to be a bias in the press towards military intervention, and i think that we also see why it was so hard for presidents in the past to pull out of afghanistan. they were afraid of exactly this kind of press overreaction. there is no way to surrender leave, withdrawal, whatever you want to call it, in a war without things getting

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