matthew fogg, retired chief deputy u. s. marshall and brock. lori is a lawyer, host of the brock, lori radio show, and author of atheism kills. welcome to you both. thanks for coming on gentlemen. brooklyn. let's start with you. there been a number of reasons given for the massive spiking and crime stat nationwide, from more people carrying guns, guns, and gangs, as, as the one chief said in new york to the ongoing cove in 1900 pad, then it calls for the funding. the police, what do you think is causing the increasing numbers? right, well, sometimes the simplest answer is you say the right one and, and i think it's because they've been demonizing that please. they've asked for the funding of the police. but it really is about the attitude toward the police. and because of that, we've got a whole new culture that has developed. we have a complete new culture where you decide that you can go ahead and rob a store for merchandise up to $950.00. and that's ok. well, i think that's partially responsible. it's not majorly responsible for the increase

s. marshal matthew fogg. thank you so much for joining me. will be with you. so what do you think of this idea is actually paying a criminal to commit a crime? the solution to the problems we're seeing in the streets today. well, you gotta do something and it seems like it's work. and i mean, when you're on the surface, i was there at lucas, but i'm seeing that it appears to be some results. when you look at california, some the other states that is frying, i think they also need the iraqi back when this whole one growth, you know, get simply just go on people in depth because they got drugs. i mean, i think that the less that we take the profit out of it that's going to have made to impact when it's the same way to deal with this. but if you can come up with something for right now, that is, is that miss ring and some of these guys are like they have by and maybe that will help to stop some of the murders. and some of the assaults when people knew that they couldn't go to the police and so my rog and stuff like that. so that seems to be like it's doing someth