hawley: i want to end by just noting that reverend matthew harrison, the president of the lutheran churchate based in my state has written that this bill puts an ultimatum to individuals, religious nonprofits, food banks, adoption agencies, and others, change your faith-based practices or face government punishment. and i've heard the same from the missouri baptist convention and other denominations across my state. this is a radical attack on religious freedom, and i think it is something we have to be clear about. thank you, mr. chairman. >> thank you. mr. graham, i apologize, i have an informed that mr. booker is joining us virtually. you will be after mr. booker. sen. booker: so using religion as a shield is something that has been done for many years, a shield for discrimination. i believe in freedom of religion. i believe in free exercise. i believe in the fundamentals that our country was founded upon, but i also know that for too long, religion is used to discriminate, it has been a painful part of the story of america. i really want to turn the -- turn to the panelists to help me