i would like to touch on the point -- i believe his name is matthew hienbalk, he is a known white supremacistches with these flaggers, and he is invited to their barbecue on sunday. he is a known white supremacist, i don't think that's the message to be sending along with the confederate flag. the entire symbol is extremely divisive, and you throw something like him in there who is actively flagging with the flaggers here in richmond, virginia. >> kristin, can i jump in for a quick sec. one of the things is this idea of perception. people are saying it is this historically, but our community seems very, very united on what the flag is. kevin notes . . . and so it's interesting to hear the different things on the flags because some users are questioning is it unpatriotic. sylvia notes . . . michael you would be able to speak to this. >> i certainly would. they -- they threaten to take the president of the confederate states of america to court and to try him on treason, and they dropped the charges. you can't say that it is treason. treason is spelled out in the constitution. succeeding, which