telegraph columnist allison pearson, conservative peer lord bailey, former labour party adviser matthew larson, and gb news political correspondent katherine forster. now, shall we just remind ourselves of what both of these potential tory leadership candidates said about immigration here? it is another clear choice. >> it's a cap or a no cap, and rm— >> it's a cap or a no cap, and i'm for capping migration. >> it's a cap or a no cap, and i'm for capping migration . two i'm for capping migration. two clear choices leave or remain, cap or no cap. for i'm leave. i'm for capping migration. >> it's the echr argument is not the right one. i think that is the right one. i think that is the biggest weakness. i think it will divide our party. it will mean that the infighting and squabbling will continue. if we want to end the drama, we need to do this the right way. let's come to a consensus. and maybe thatis come to a consensus. and maybe that is leaving the echr. but it is not about imposing your views on everybody else . on everybody else. >> let me throw it over straight to a member of our audienc