i think matthew mcconneghey is quoted as saying the best oscar campaign he had was true deckive on hboree. >> i want to talk about game of thrones, for example a show that i don't watch. >> you should. >> rose: what am i missing? >> oh, i think you're missing epic storytelling. you're missing great fun. you're missing archetypes like power and war and conflict dealt with in remarkable ways by two brilliant writers and show runners in denney bennyhalf and dan weiss. when they pitched the show to mike and myself, one of the points they made was look, this is about power. and this is about old themes that have been present from the bible through greek tragedies through shakes -- shakespeare. and i think if you followed the show coming now into its new season you are going to see some of the most remarkable-- they're like really ten hours ten separate movies. and people say why don't you do more. when you see the quality of the work and the intricacy of the work, i think you see why ten is an extraordinary achievement in and of itself. >> rose: here's the trailer for see son five of game o