matthew rosenberg, that's not a denial. in other words, what struck me about the statement is that the white house didn't say that's a lie, he never said those words. >> yeah. it's hard to claim something is a lie when dozens of people have seen the summary of the conversation typed up by somebody in the room taking notes. every one of these meetings has a note taker, those summaries are circulated throughout the white house and the executive branch. you're going to have trouble denying that. we got that before the plane took off. i want to address the highly classified leaking? first of all, the contents of that conversation that he fired comey and thought he was a nut job, that's not classified. the documents itself, parts of it may be. the other issue, this is the same meeting where the president shared intelligence that we had gotten from israel with russian officials. that intelligence from israel was sensitive, code word classified is what they call it. the israelis shared it with the united states with the express in

matthew rosenberg on the by line of this incredible news, matthew rosenberg, tell me, how did you learn you know? >> well, i've got to give credit, first, to my colleague who was the guy who got the original tip on this and the original piece of information and that meeting becomes more remarkable the more we hear about it. you know, the way we understand this -- people in the meeting take notes and they circulated their notes around the government, obviously. and in that meeting, donald trump, the president, told the russian foreign minister that he was under an immense amount of pressure and called james comey crazy, a real nut job. that was at the same meeting where trump also shared intelligence that had come from israel and israel had asked us not to share with any country, our allies, never mind russia. >> and so as we're all just responding to this, another piece of your article includes that some other government official who was briefed in the meeting said, no, no, this was just a negotiating tactic when he was talking to lavrov and pressure that he was under. >> i mean, that's

basically reads them the riot act, but somehow has always had this soft spot for russia. >> matthew rosenberg, the fact that jared kushner didn't disclose meetings with russia on his security clearance application is not helpful for the optics of that. they did then go back and say that it was sent in too early or something. >> there are real questions here and they have yet to be answered. and one thing is, we focus on the meetings with kislyak, the ambassador, and thaur importaey important, but he also in december met with a russian banker who runs veb, aback sanctioned by the u.s., close to the kremlin. the banker he met with attended the russian intelligence committe academy. there are real questions. why are you meeting with this guy? what did you hope to gain? this bank was under sanction? was there sympathetic elomethin? and you didn't need private investigators to figure out who the banker was? it's the first page of google results if you put in his name, comes up with all of this information. and i just -- like fareed said, there are real questions. and that they were constantly kind

written by matt apuzo, maggie haberman, and matthew rosenberg, may 19, 2017.mp told russian officials in the o. office this month firing the f.b.i. director james comey had relieved great pressure on him, according to a document, summarizing the meeting. a dowrnlgt a white house document, summarizing the meeting. "i just fired the head of the f.b.i., he was crazy, a real nut job." according to a document read to "the new york times" by an american official. "i faced great pressure because of russia. that's taken off." what do you say to that? >> well, i say three things. one, the president is seeing the price of antagonizing the national security establishment, intelligence. this is part of a gusher of leaks that is going to come out. it's sounusual, so shocking for something like this to be leaked by an american official about their president. second, it's a reminder that the president forgets the difference between campaigning and governing. a conversation like that is not going to stay private in this environment. and, third, why are you irritating james co

this reporting by matthew rosenberg, adam goldman, and matt puzzo in the "new york times," american spiesollected information last summer revealing that senior russian intelligence and political officials were discussing how to exert influence over donald trump through his advisors, according to three current and former american officials familiar with the intelligence -- host: that in today's "new york times." the paper also has this story this morning, house panel will subpoena flynn, according to the top democrat. that is adam schiff of california, the top democrat on the house intelligence committee. he said that they will be issuing subpoenas to michael flynn. he said he hoped the committee would issue the subpoenas this week before congress leaves for a one-week recess. it was unclear whether their subpoenas would seek documents or mr. flynn's testimony or both. remember, mr. flynn denied his testimony and denied subpoena requests from the senate intelligence committee, and that committee could be considering contempt of court, contempt of congress, excuse me, for michael flynn, a r

. >>> pamela, stick around because i want to bring in cnn analyst matthew rosenberg. matthew, welcome to the program. you were at the "the times." what else can you tell us about that? >> what we've been told and understand that general flynn was notified in late november, early december that the justice department was looking into the work he had done as a lobbyist for it turkish government and had not declared and not known publicly. that developed into an investigation. on january 4th, he called the white house -- or the trump transition, sorry. and he called them up and the lawyer followed up with a phone call. we're talking 16 days before the inauguration. and the trump administration knew there was an investigation. any other administration who would take the new jobs, the national security advisor, this would have been an automatic disqualification. it has ready access to the president, has access to almost every american secret and has a huge role in shaping american policy. but the trump transition seemed unconcerned with this. >> here's a question. david gerg

>> well joining us mat louis kersten powers, professional allen derch wers gloriy borger and matthew rosenberg matthew you continue to report the story out for "the new york times" how does your reporting jieb with ---en a the reporting of colleagueless jieb with the statements made by the white house thus far. >> well, you know the white house, they've carefullily worded denials it looks like and they're saying the president didn't discuss any sources or methods. or military operations that are ongoing and were secret. the thing is nobody saying is he did that. what they're saying he was sit wg the russian ambassador and foreign minister he got excited you won't believer atle intelligence i see he disclosed incredibly granular detail about some of the intelligence. so this he talked about the city where the plot emanated from. things that -- that could help anybody kind of figure out how this is being collected from whom. and it's a problem because you know the russian interest interest is not the same as our interest in syria. they're working -- they're there mainly to prop up the government

cnn national security analyst matthew rosenberg. he broke the new york teams story of the trump transition team knowing general flynn was under investigation. we'll talk to him about that. thank you for being here. also joining us the host of cnn's smerconish. michael smerconish. and senior legal analyst jeffrey toobin. the man and the mandate. what does this move mean for the investigation? >> it means that mueller takes over any aspect of the investigation relating to criminal law and possible violations. you know, that doesn't just mean narrowly russia and possible collusion with the trump campaign. it means possible false statements made in the course of the investigation. certainly anything involving michael flynn and his activities and possibly and most importantly, financial matters relating to all of this which could include mueller subpoenaing the president's tax returns. >> is this just toobin speculating? >> no. look at points two and three. any matter that arose or may arise directly from the investigation and then the o

we have with us congressional reporter for "the washington post," and joining us matthew rosenberg, covers intelligence and national security for "new york times." truly an a list. dell, let me begin with you. you reported rosenstein pushed graham to correct the perception comey was fired because of his memo. how hot, how angry was rosenstein, and is resignation a possibility? >> you know, our reporting showed that rod rosenstein, deputy attorney general, was upset when they rolled this out, the white house made it sound like this was all on the deputy attorney general's recommendation. he recommended we get rid of comey so we did it. that was the narrative tuesday and wednesday. rosenstein did not appreciate this, that's not the truth. he was in a meeting with the president on monday. on monday the president said give me a memo justifying why i should get rid of comey, what is wrong with comey is more likely what the president ask him and he did that. when he saw the narrative, it was all sparked by his words, he was upset. called don mcbegan, said you have to correct the record. i can't

. >> i want to bring in the panel, matthew rosenberg, gloria borger, you worked both at the fbi and the cia you know the acting director. what do you make of the testimony from him tonight? >> you can take him to the bank. he's a soft spoken man. i knew him when i was at the bureau. he's there to represent the bureau and to represent a tradition that goes back to 1908 of integrity. i don't care what the american people see, if you are working at the fbi you cannot view this intervention as anything but an intervention in investigation into the presidential office. there's two issues that are being confused here. people at the bureau routinely might say and many of them told me i agree the actions of the director over the past ten months many were inappropriate. he should not be in front of the microphone. that said, that's fundamentally different as saying do they see him as decent, a man of integrity, a man who brought thoughtfulness to the office. that goes without saying. they look at this as the president trying to undercut the investigation. >> this investigation will go on, it wil

april ryen matthew rosenberg gloria bourjier and gloria was today's testimony problematic pr for the trump administration. >> i think it's trouble for them because they have been -- telling a story about sally yates effectively giving them a heads up as they put it about some issues with -- with general flynn. what sally yates described today was her telling them that there was a category 5 hurricane aimed directly at them and that they had better do something about. manual somebody who is the acting attorney general calling the white house counsel saying i've got to come down there. we have to have this discussion. and then explaining to the white house counsel that your national security adviser could be subject to blackmail by -- by the russians. that's not a heads up. that's something that needed to be dealt with very quickly and from what we now understand from the time line that we know of, it took 18 days for that -- for that to occur. and only after the "washington post" reported that in fact flynn had lied to the vice president. >> and matthew i mean the president tweeted ag

. >> i want to bring in the panel, matthew rosenberg, gloria borger, phil mudd.hil, you worked both at the fbi and the cia and you know the acting director. what do you make of the testimony from him tonight? >> you can take him to the bank. he's a soft spoken man. i knew him when i was at the bureau. he's there to represent the bureau and to represent a tradition that goes back to 1908 of integrity. i don't care what the american people see, if you are working at the fbi you cannot view this intervention as anything but an intervention in investigation into the presidential office. there's two issues that are being confused here. people at the bureau routinely might say and many of them told me i agree the actions of the director over the past ten months many were inappropriate. he should not be in front of the microphone. that said, that's fundamentally different as saying do they see him as decent, a man of integrity, a man who brought thoughtfulness to the office. that answer is yes as well. they're looking at this saying the president wants to undercut inves

"the new york times" maggy has beenerman and matthew rosenberg join us. this is -- when i say -- it's fascinating reporting what more did the president say in the meeting. >> he said a couple of things but among them as you saw he described comey as a -- a real nut job which is a phrase he used about many people over the last couple of years usually on twitter. but sometimes in other discussions. said that this had taken great pressure off of him he was not under investigation, said that he would like some help on the issue of ukraine from the russians that this is an issue important in america. made a joke that he was the only person in the russian ambassador had not reached to a meeting for why didn't you call heim sort of to that effect talked with roeh about his crowd size i believe. >> he was talking to the russians about the crowd size at the inauguration. >> i think -- i don't know if the inauguration. >> just in general. >> i think it was the inauguration. >> but it wassed. >> god knows he's talked about it all. >> look this is a lot of this stuff

maggie haberman joins us again, jeffrey lord, general psaki, matthew rosenberg and phil mudd. said he wouldn't comply. he said now he will comply if there is a subpoena. but he says basically that there is no there there. >> that's my sense of it. i got a message from him earlier saying he has not been subpoenaed but if he is he will gladly comply, "as i have nothing to hide." michael schoen a very familiar face to most of us who cover the trump campaign. he's been an aggressive defender of the president for a very long time going back to -- my dealings with him go back a long time but including 2011 when trump was first thinking of running for president in recent history. he has been pretty aggressive against this probe. he's been pretty aggressive that there is no there there. i don't know expect him to go sort of quietly into that good night. and we will see. it's an interesting contrast in terms of how he is handling this. because it is very different than, say, what michael flynn is doing, which is that he was subpoenaed and resisted it for quite some time and i think now

rosenberg from the "new york times" who's reporting on this. matthew, what do you say?in hillary's emails, there was a small, select few that were classified information. that it came from an ally, was exposed to the government, or it went to an adversarial government. number two, there was a note taker in the room. there were notes disseminated throughout the government. these things get around. there's never just three people in the room when you're sitting in a room with the russian foreign minister and the russian ambassador. but to kind of compare this to hillary clinton's email, which was never publicized, it's like look here, the emails, this comes up time and time again. and the fact that we are talking about president trump, and the issue here, which you're sharing foreign intelligence, incredibly sensitive intelligence, by a foreign ally, who has all right told you if you share this information, they're going to cut you off. >> i'm worried about your show at 9:00 tonight. i'm very worried that nancy pelosi is just the kind of person to politicize this issue. i