with me now is matthew vincent, columnist at the financial times. with this pension fund and the deficit there. and the deficit there. carillion, we've heard about this and other cases. and other cases. order to meet those liabilities into the long—term. the long—term. that lies at the heart of the pension system that we have. pension system that we have. carillion contracts to give us going. look at this and say it's an outrage. outrage. the contradictions within the system. system. of concern to lots of people for obvious reasons. obvious reasons. decide if the dividends are too high or not. in this case they said they weren't. weren't. have access to all the information they need. they need. currently met, look at enough measures. measures. how much the company is paying into its pension scheme. its pension scheme. dividends to money for pension was not bad. in fact, there were worse offenders. offenders. regulator took the view that perhaps it can be sorted out in time. it can be sorted out in time. and presumably look at the auditors, kpmg, who