i want to bring back matthew wald, mary schiavo, tim taylor les abend. pilots are trained to navigate severe thunderstorms, correct? >> correct. at this particular time they would have been utilizing a very sophisticated form of radar, on board radar, looking at it would have been color radar, we would have been looking at green, yellow, red being the most intense. we do -- probably had cells that did go up to 50,000 feet. the thunderstorm consists of a lot of cells. especially something as big and as immense an area that that was in. but not every area not every cell would have gone up to 50,000 feet. so it would have been possible to navigate at least around it if not at least possibly above some of them. we don't know what the pilots were seeing at that particular time. >> mary, you know we sit on runways, we sit in the airport and we complain we say it's just a little thunderstorm little shower. but in the united states with a system like that thunderstorms, a weather system would that flight have been canceled? >> i think it would have. and because

so back with me now matthew wald mary schiavo, david soucie, tim taylor and richard quest. s you heard from the partner of a man who was on flight 370. she thinks there could be a connection between 370 and the missing flight 8501. i think what she says she thinks incompetence more than anything is a connection here. >> you don't know till you know. more and more of these crashes are going to be in places with fast-growing aviation like asia. it's hard to connect mh370, which seems to have proceeded from deliberate actions in the cockpit, to the airplane in the ukraine, which was taken out literally by external forces and in this case we're going to have to wait and see. it looks familiar right now because they haven't found the wreckage yet. but it usually takes a few days for a crash at sea before you find the wreckage. you've got to find something floating. you've got to back-calculate where the current is taking it and then start looking underwater. >> richard, do you see a connection here? >> no. no i don't at the moment. you take malaysia airlines it's been around deca