the bottom line is we put to the matthews meter, 12 of our regulars including katty and mike here, will there be significant reform in the presidency as dan brought up, seven say yes, five say they won't be. two of those five are here. katty? >> i just don't see the political viability of going to voters and say we're going to cut your services. to retirees who are the majority of the voters, listen, we just had a government thrown out of office in italy precisely because it did this. it cut services. >> i'm in the no camp. six months ago, yes. i'm less certain and the odds are narrowed. >> i agree. i think it goes to what you said earlier also. the only way this will happen is both sides do it together rather than one side take the blame. right now they don't trust each other. chris: if we don't do entitlement reform, medicare, medicaid, we're not going to do tax reform because republicans will never go along with a democrat. therefore, we're not doing anything. that's a scary part. 3 1/2 years of not getting anything done. for comic relief, every time we have a budget battle, we recal

we put it to the matthews meter, 12 very smart people, does it look like jeb's running. nine say yes. gloria, you're on the bullish side. >> i think jeb bush waited this last time out because he understood the country had bush fatigue. the question is now -- chris: rested enough for more stpwhush >> and whether they're well rested enough for perhaps another bush/clinton race, which by the way, we could actually have again in this country. >> amazing. chris: andrew, andrew -- >> and would the republican party be ready for another bush? >> i love your -- andrea, i love the fact you relish certain passions here. is one the perception that jeb is doing what it looks like he's doing? >> am i giving you the shakes here? >> the whole idea of a bush/clinton election, another bush/clinton election in a country of 300 million people, something has gone wrong. something has gone horribly wrong here. >> aren't there any other people? chris: is that all there is? >> another generation whose movie stars never age? we keep still having the same election. god help us. i think the word b