host: joining us on the phone is the creator of that video, matthias shapiro of politicalmathblog.com mr. shapiro how did you come up with this idea? guest: it came last year when president obama announced he would cut billions from the federal budget and the staff would find this money and get rid of it. and it was widely critized by both sides, and described as cutting coffee out of a $100,000 salary. i didn't feel that anyone was getting to the scale of the really tiny cut. so i made a video about it, it was a goofy video i thought. and it ended up getting a lot of attention, over 1 million people saw it and i started making more. and really have kind of a passion for taking big numbers, which everything having to do with the budget is enormous. and visualizing it so we &#tca get a get sense and feel of what we are looking at. host: when you say big numbers and we have those from the public debt and today it's 12.5 trillion and something called intergovernmental holdings is 4.5 trillion, how do you make these devices to show the viewer at home. how do you make that simple? guest: