general petraeus, who was in charge of the army portion of that, while i believe general mattis was in charge of the marine portion of that, formulated a lot of this idea, his ideas, or took a personal interest in that manual, a lot of the discussion that provided the input for that manual, took place in workshops and such that he, general petraeus sponsored, and so it was, it was kind of a picture of, you know, throwing the pass, and then his assignment is, the commander, catching it in iraq. and so i think how i would summarize it is you have a lot of counter-insurgency, as general casey himself would say that he was fighting a counter-insurgency campaign. so you have a lot of counter-insurgency techniques being taught in iraq. but it is not until 2007 where you have kind of a uniform application of those techniques throughout the country, and not in isolated units. so i think the idea, the ideas of counter-insurgency are known, and implemented in some cases. i think after the publication of the manual, you have a more uniform application of it. part of that i think is due to the manual, but part of it i