mattlin's home is at 2 forester street. 4 forest center, and this is 1 forester. you can see that there is the garage structure here at the rear yard and a parking space behind it, and there's a similar configuration at 4 forester with a garage structure here, and you can see a car parked in the space behind it. this parking space and use and access has always been in place for as long as the garage structure has been there. mr. mattlin didn't have the opportunity to provide this evidence of this parking space primarily because he wasn't aware that the appeal had been submitted. as far back as we've been able to trace, there's always been a garage and a parking space. we submitted in our documents a letter from the prior owner of 2 forester. she indicated that for the time she lifted in that property, she parked in that parking space on a daily basis. we submitted a letter from 16 forester, with cars from 2 forester and 4 forester crossing over the rear lot there, confirming that that's always been the use. and the owner of 280 judson, which is here, has also subm

mattlin has the right to drive his car -- i'm sympathetic to your cause, mr. mattlin. we're here because we have to go by the letter of what is the law and get -- and surface the letters as much as possible. but if you put that up again on the screen, literally, if i look at that -- and you can help me -- that the property line -- there's a property line that exists that would not legally allow mr. mattlin to drive across that property without permission or an easement from the person who owns the property. so wouldn't it make the whole discussion a moot point? >> potentially, but that is a matter for the courts, and that is not something that the city does not interject itself -- >> commissioner honda: sorry to interrupt, but it does not indicate the lot dimensions of the first lot, so the lot dimensions could be subject to that space already there. >> line dispute. >> commissioner honda: yeah. >> but we do have a letter from the city that that lot is to be accessible by some way other than helicopter, but that is an issue for the court and parties to work through. we