you don't see a lot of evidence of mauney. in fact, it seems to me from the wikileaks document that the leaders are quite blunt with each other behind closed doors. this isn't to say you don't see evidence of lobbying but to the extent you do, it is of the leaders lobbying to their own country more often than lying to each other, and that of course is consistent with what is probably the main theme in the book. >> professor mearsheimer, how do you compare the u.s. to other countries when it comes to the issue of lobbying? >> i think you'll find more evidence of the united states lobbying than most other countries. this is in part due to the fact the united states is a democracy. one should expect to find more lobbying in the democracy than and authoritarians state. >> why? >> the simple reason the democratic leaders are accountable to the public. they have to explain to the public why they're doing xy or z. any time a democratic leader pursues an unpopular policy, he or she is going to be tempted to tell a lie to get the publi

but commesso mauney love of the middle east and then it led me to study arabic further and so before my unit went to iraq, i became the sort of cultural expert and taught classes to the marines on appropriate behavior are not muslims and about the culture as a whole, and part of that was also some arabic language and some familiarization for them, and so a group of us started studying more the language and so then when i went to iraq i became the unit interrogator translator and basically just a person who whenever we were in iraq would talk to them, so it was extremely useful because on several occasions we were able to digest let violence that could have resulted in if there wasn't someone who was able to talk to them and find out why they were there and what they were doing. >> host: how much time did you spend in iraq? >> guest: i spent at the deployment, so early on i don't know how many months it turned out, but certainly not the amount of time people are deploying today. you know, people are going for a year and a half now. >> host: marines originally come as i recall, we woul