rumsfeld: maureen dowd? my goodness gracious. you've got to be kidding. lamb: why not?rumsfeld: why would one? she has a fixation, apparently. and she's cynical, so i hope - my wife once read one, and she said i sure hope that woman is not as cynical in all of her life, as she is in her column because it would be such an unhappy life. lamb: so on a normal day, how do you filter information into you now that you're in civilian life? rumsfeld: well, i obviously use a computer, and i listen to your news programs, occasionally, and i read a lot. i read newspapers. lamb: stop there because in the early part of - i want to go back some - but, in the early part of your book, you cite whittaker chambers as having an impact on your life. rumsfeld: the book, "witness," was an important book for whatever reason, it - partly because it is an important book, but also, because i read it at an important time in my life. i was in college, and i watched the army-mccarthy hearings, and they had an impact on me. it was an opportunity to see the congress going beyond its proper role. lamb:

rumsfeld: maureen dowd? my goodness gracious. you've got to be kidding. lamb: why not?rumsfeld: why would one? she has a fixation, apparently. and she's cynical, so i hope - my wife once read one, and she said i sure hope that woman is not as cynical in all of her life, as she is in her column because it would be such an unhappy life. lamb: so on a normal day, how do you filter information into you now that you're in civilian life? rumsfeld: well, i obviously use a computer, and i listen to your news programs, occasionally, and i read a lot. i read newspapers. lamb: stop there because in the early part of - i want to go back some - but, in the early part of your book, you cite whittaker chambers as having an impact on your life. rumsfeld: the book, "witness," was an important book for whatever reason, it - partly because it is an important book, but also, because i read it at an important time in my life. i was in college, and i watched the army-mccarthy hearings, and they had an impact on me. it was an opportunity to see the congress going beyond its proper role. lamb: