. >> molly, cultural norms diehard, maureen ferrel said, and you can't sue your way into equality, canyou? even if you have the right of the argument on your side of the table. >> i think that noreen is right. but i think that there's hope. we know that policies make a difference, and cultural norms change. they have, over the last several hundred years here in the u.s., we can make a change and change the system. so we need policies and the way to equality. and we need paid family medical leave, and more representation. that's the thing that some countries have tried mandating quotas or volunteer quote as, saying that we need to have our board or leadership have things. >> in the countries that tried it, including some of the richest countries in the world, so it hasn't done them in looking at it that way. one of the recurring fences for the status of women in some societies is that culture and religion dictate the status of women. not bias or repression. so how do the women around the world answer? are they simply battles that they're fighting at this moment? or ones that you choose