i mean, imagine maureen and i are competitors, and maureen, the commissioner ohlhausen wants to do the right thing and want to collect the most information i can and monetize it. she's at a competitive disadvantage, because i'm making more money while she's trying to protect consumers. >> she's been virtuous. >> she is and she is virtuous and a wonderful member of the commission already. >> and if i'm a corporation, i would probably try to advertise the fact i am virtuous and get consumers to come to my company rather than -- >> of course, if the liebowitz corporation isn't playing along and is making more money, it's not necessarily fair to the ohlhausen corporation, you understand this and that's why things like voluntary codes of conduct can be useful. it's why at end of the day we're hoping that the digital advertising alliance and the companies behind it represent i think 90% of all advertising on the internet. when you get to 90%, all making commitments not to collect, a lot of the companies i haven't talked to individually, we'd be very comfortable with limitations on collection