. >> this certain mavni program, it's only for 5,000 people this year who have not just the regular -- they don't just meet the regular requirements for joining the army. they have to have special skills like you said. most of them are either doctors, or they have some unusual language. they speak pashtun or belluci or something like this. the illegal immigrants who are thousand eligible for this program are only semi-illegal at this point. only deferred action amnesty, they have deferred actions, social security numbers, they are not illegal annuallies, my concern is not this program but whether it's being used as kind of the tip of the iceberg to expand enlistment to illegal immigrants generally and that would be a real problem. >> explain that to me. you and i understand, you articulated this mavni to some degree, the military needs them and they expand them to people who are in the country illegally but still special skills. this is the military determining the skill set that it needs. how do you worry that it expands and lets in all sorts of other undocumented immigrants? >> beca

or mavni fort short. people who have skills essential for the military like medical or language training. became adults in the u.s., is is once in basic strange they're virtually indistinguishable from everyone else. because of privacy concerns, security and potential controversy surrounding these recruits, the u.s. government isn't releasing much information about individual recruits except to say they have all had thorough background checks. but not everyone has faith in those background checks. before mavni was expanded, north carolina congressman walter jones sent a scathing letter to chuck hai hagel. lawyer mar margaret stock creatd the program eight years ago. >> historically, the armed forces's recruited in war time, the armed forces recruited anybody who was qualified. they didn't care about your immigration status. >> you really have no business being in the united states armed forces unless you're part of the united states population, you're a u.s. citizen. >> mark kerkorian is executive directo