but we got to know each other, and i got to know max bachus, who was my colleague in the senate. we both served on the senate finance committee, chase very heavy duty committee, and we were both interested in a lot of the same things, particularly international trade, and so we got to know each other, we got to like each other, i -- >> host: max being a democrat. >> guest: max being a democrat, and he has a zino. xino was a ben at this time, and he asked me, because i'm an ordained clergyman to baptize xino, which i did. now, i can't imagine that in today's u.s. senate, is a understand what is going on in washington. i just think it's a pitched battle although time, but if you get to know somebody on a personal basis, you can try at least to communicate and to work things out. >> host: that story about max bachus resonated with me because i made one of my best friends in the senate on the other side of the aisle with ben nelson as a result of a codel to afghanistan. when you're many hours, out of that furnace that is the senate, and you get to know somebody as a person, it's a li