. >> senator max baucus of montana. one of hits better line. all right.ndy, thanks very much for helping. congratulations on your op-ed piece. >> it's not just executives concerned about obama care. get this, the irs union, the very group that will be responsible for collecting all the personal health aid under the president's plan is now saying count us out. count us out. we don't want obama care. we're back with our panel, and, john fund, were you going to say something before? i think this irs thing is unbelievable. >> it's potentially a fire storm. what got congress in trouble in the 90s, both parties, they were doing things separate from the rest of the country. they had their own house bank, their own who was office, their own house rules. they weren't bound by the sex and other discrimination laws that we have and the public revolted and threw out dozens and dozens of them, including some from both parties. this will be the same thing. the same irs that doesn't answer the customer service line, the same irs that politicized the -- this is hypocrisy

as i understand it, senator max baucus, who runs the finance committee, and chairman dave camp, who runs the ways and means committee, have been working on a revenue-neutral corporate tax reform plan. that is to say, you give up loopholes in return for which the marginal rate comes down. not from 35 to 28 but probably to 25% or even lower. what i understand is that team obama is going to have revenue positive and take that loophole money and spend it on pet projects. that's not what was supposed to happen. >> well, that's exactly what the president was saying, though, in tennessee where he said we're going to have this so-called corporate tax reform's which is really, as you say, a revenue increase, and then he wants to use the money for more sort of the same so-called stimulus spending, the same nonsense we got in 2009. and the last thing we need in terms of fiscal policy is to make government even bigger. that's what we've been doing for too long already. >> where's the bargain? i don't really understand the so-called bargain here. there was no talk about debt limitation. there was no

now, folks, the committee's top democrat and republican, senators max baucus and/or and n hatch are asking their senate colleagues for suggestions on the new tax code. what should be dedubt i believe? what should the top tax rate be? but these senators know it is too risky for the other senators to be public about their public policy so they assuredded lawmakers that any submission they receive will be kept under lock and key by the committee and the national archives until the end of 2064. that's right. no one will see the senators' opinions on the tax code for 50 years. and by then, folks, the senators will all be dead. now, to further guarantee privacy, baucus and hatch have offered to give each submission its own i.d. number, keep it on password-protected servers and store printedded versions in locked safes. this level of secrecy will give the senators the freedom to do the people's business. that way, they can represent the voters without pressure from the lobbyists or represent the lobbyists without pressure from the voters. it could go either way. we'll find out in 2064. of course,

. >>> three democratic senators tom harkin, jay rockefeller and max baucus are busy trying to protect the affordable care act, but the lawmakers who helped pass obama care are all retiring in 2014 when the law is fully rolled out. jack lew weighed in on the latest talk of a possible government shutdown. >> congress needs to fund the kinds of things that the american middle class need and we need to get. the debt limit extended in a way that doesn't create a crisis. >> the president will go to the brink if necessary? >> david, drawing this to brinksmanship is a mistake. it's bad for the economy. >> he's still working on his signature. >>> paul ryan says that a vote on immigration reform in the house may not happen until october. >>> and hillary clinton's life story is headed to tv. nbc will produce a four-hour mini series about the former secretary of state ahead of the 2016 presidential election. diane lane will be starring as the first lady. the role of bill clinton has not yet been cast. that's your morning dish of scrambled politics. >>> heavy rain in philadelphia broke the record

>> i think that max baucus is right on the point that he made. in washington would try to obtain a lower rate. some feel that they are getting a special deal because of the complexity that we have made the tax process over the last several years. even if you have a job, you may have your hours reduced, your salary may increase and there is this need for growth and jobs and the complexity is just -- it is enormous. obviously people are afraid they are going to get audited in the current situation in a very well maybe, but the concern is that people have a huge stack of papers i have man who had tax preparations and he had $9000. so the costs of compliance was just enormous. over $160 billion a year and 6 billion hours to comply there is the senate and house working together and it is so important. i have to tell you that the response i get from the members of the house, i think they believe as we do that the country needs this. many friends have that so when we get on the road to prosperity and success,, whatever their choices akamai for its all-i

not my words, but one of the democrats, senator max baucus, but it's highly unusual for congress to givet kind of -- >> although, they knew guys, right, how bad it was? you needed a glass box in case of an emergency break? maybe they were smart enough to see an out here. >> does it explode on the launch pad? the media's out in forest. "time," "l.a. times, "new york times," and not just baucus saying it's a train wreck saying lower level workers see costs rise, and the thing is the little guy says, okay, we see the big guys, big companies, restaurants, retailers get a break here, but what about us with the mandate january 1? >> a terrific point. the government will not delay the individual mandate, and the frustration that the institution of the individual mandate visits on americans, the frustration of some people exempt and others exempt was all predictable, but i'm saddened because i don't think any of this is enough to change the minds of democrats so that we can get rid of the monstrosity. some never have to seek reelection again. the democrat in chief never has to seek reelection ag

schweitzer and max baucus never have gotten along.em retaking the senate are certainly better than they were last week, because john tester said two weeks ago, i would the farm that schweitzer gets in. >> so if anybody needs to farm -- >> bill: right. this is not the only state where democrats have run into unexpected problems. >> yeah west virginia is looking like -- showing captoe is a favor to win? georgia they didn't get john barrow to run. but he opted not to run. and remember the math is very republican friendly in 2014. in 2016 it's very democratic friendly. but the republicans need six pickups. you never know because everyone thought republicans were going to pick up seats the last time and democrats ended up picking up the seats. >> bill: finally at the governor level, do you know any other governor in the country, when a rich businessman came along and said, oh your daughter is getting married, i would be glad to pay for the wedding? bob mcdonald from virginia what is going on? >> he was in the discussion for mitt romney's r

>> i'm smiling because i know exactly what i'd say to max baucus without saying it to max baucus.you know what, max, you're not going to be in this chamber next year, but i'm still going to be president. i would never say that myself, but somebody might say that to him, and you're probably going to want to work in this town. >> the shocking part of this story is that the president couldn't get those four democrats to vote. i know it's not going to get you to 60. >> i need people to vote who come from a gun culture like i come from to see the benefits of this bill. it really enhances and strengthens your second amendment rights. it asks for the responsibility when you go to a commercial transaction -- >> but offices from montana, which is a gun state -- >> the president does not come from a gun culturement of the president doesn't come from it, and that's not where they are. so for the president to come out and convince -- this is one time he might not be that person to bring that fight to -- >> is the bottom line is the only way this passes is i'm not going to -- if i'm the presid

senator max baucus and senator orrin hatch say any tax breaks should be restored only if they grow thelobbyists have enough money. >> fair is such a loaded term. we will be speaking to erskin bowles and former co-care of the national commission of fiscal responsibility and reform at the top of the next hour right here on "squawk box". >> energying is ernest money says iran is not a dominant player in the market and inkreegsd production elsewhere can more than make up for any shortfall. they expect a further because of the tightening of economic sanctions against that company. >> egyptians taking the streets and demanding the resignation of islamist president, joining us on the squawk news line, a talk about the unrest in egypt, ian bremer, we probably look at this as a whole and we can't. because it's not monolithic what goes on over there. in turkey, i fixed everybody was sort of pushing back against a less secular state. where are we in egypt? they want more secularism or less? >> well, a big difference in turkey the military is very secularist and actually has a problem with prime m

least defund it because what we are faced with right now going into 2014 looks like what senator max baucusaid it was going to be, a train wreck. gerri: jonathan, have to interrupt for a second because i am not a politician, i do not cover politics. i am interested in americans wallets. what consumers are paying for health care. we were promised prices would come down, we were promised it would be a fair marketplace. i see none of that. i see a situation all feel like fighting go o gulliver. you have less choice, not more choices. none of this is working out like we expected, jonathan. >> i think the promise the president made if you like your health care, you can keep your health care. he is probably right on that. we're just at the beginning that was not true. health insurance copies in california saying we are not doing business in california anymore. small business moving into part-time insurance will lose their health, going up these exchanges. we don't know what it will look like. when that moment hits and people realize that part is untrue, that is when you'll see a severe reaction w

he has flat out refused to a read a letter on tax reform sent by democrat senator max baucus. won't even read the letter and flat-out rejected negotiations going on between dave camp in the house and max baucus in the senate about tax reform. no tax reform as we know it. yes, to a trillion dollars worth of tax increases. senator reid is doing the president's bidding, continuing a policy of raising taxes, spreading the wealth. that's what's happening. martha: it is hard to sort of figure out why, right? why, why is it in harry reid's best interest or the president's best interests to not even come to the table on this to not even discuss it? during the election we heard this from independents, from democrats, republicans, a lot of people want to see the tax code simplified. >> yeah. martha: it is an idea that has leverage. >> i think it is about politics this is a workup to the 2014 elections. i think senate reid and the elections believe they can win, democrats can keep control of the senate if they go forward with tax the rich and spread the wealth. if they go forward with th

it is an admission from the president that just as the lead author of obamacare, max baucus, said, it's becoming a train wreck. the wheels are coming off. secondly, with the obama administration did was postpone it for small companies with 50 employees or more. why is it that a corporations get benefits that hard-working families and taxpayers not given? that's why we need to defund every bit of it for every american. is this going to be easy? the two things i just put out there -- abolishing the irs and the funding obamacare -- i don't know if any of you and the business consultant world have heard of the phrase bhag? hairynds for big, audacious goals. these are big, hairy audacious goals for the american people. if either of those came to a vote right now in congress, we would lose. we don't have the votes in the senate or the house. i will tell you as well there's nothing i can do to change it. i can argue until i'm blue in the face and it's not within my capacity to persuade 41 senate republicans or 218 house republicans but you can. the way we get this done is the american people s

as max baucus said, it's a train wreck. employers are reducing their hours, so they don't have to comply with it from 40 to 30. the costs are out of control. the 18 new taxes are about to click in, affecting individuals and businesses in a dramatic fashion. it's a jobs killer. that's a fact. try to put the flowers on it, but it's a big mess. >> it is interesting, and you do wonder, given the fact that a lot of this was predicted by republicans a long time ago that, the unions are suddenly realizing that under obamacare, that companies only with 50 employees or more are going to be subject to it, so there's an incentive to have 49 employees, or 48, and also it involves a workweek of 30 hours or more. if you work 29 hours or 28, you're not covered. why did it take the union so long, senator bayh, that this could by a problem? >> it's a huge piece of legislation. it takes time to work through these. some of these problems can be resolved. the 30-hour workweek, susan collins, republican from maine, has introduced to make the a

senator max baucus, a democrat, said i will refuse to allow another appointee from bush who accepts another term. the bush administration said we're not inclined do that because the acting commissioner can only serve two months. we'll have to find two acting commissioners in order to have somebody serving in that position until the next president comes in. the bush administration reached an agreement with senator baucas that would pick a democrat technocrat from k street. so i appreciate your trying to blame this on president bush which seems to be a rather obnoxious trait of everybody on the obama committee. >> by the way, i didn't know that, and that's fair point. >> we'll end it on a fair point. can't we all get along. thank you both for being on "hannity." a special zimmerman edition next. [ male announcer ] frequent heartburn? the choice is yos. chalky... not chalky. temporary... 24 hour. lots of tablets... one pill. you decide. prevent acid with prevacid 24hr. . . . . announcer: announcer: you're on the right track to save big during sleep train's triple choice sale. for a limited tim

. >> max baucus said, this is a train wreck coming.s is the first light out of the tunnel heading back at us. if they can blink once, they'll blink twice. there's going to be more things suspended. >> like what? >> last week gallup announced they surveyed small businesses around the country. one out of five said, we have cut back on hiring because of obama care. another 40 percent said we have suspended new hiring this is a jobs disaster, we are already seeing a small economic recovery. obama care could literally put a blanket over that, in order to avoid losses in the 2014 election. i think the next thing they may delay is the individual mandate. >> it's hard to argue that businesses ought to get a pass on the mandate, but individuals shouldn't, no? >> of course, it has to be consistent, the problem is, the man date is pretty much unenforceable. there's also the amount of money -- >> the initial mandate? >> both are unenforceable. this is going to cost them $5 billion. which they're counting on. bahama care has to suck money out of ev

i am heartened by the efforts senator orrin hatch and max baucus, two good friends of mine and two good men who are starting with the fundamental notion that they will wipe out every loophole and reduction in the tax code. for years i have been saying the only way to do this is to lower every rate and close every loophole. because let's face it, the loopholes mostly benefit those that are big. maybe there are a few that would you would let come back in. what they understand is if you say they all go, the burden of proof is on those who must argue to put them back in. we not only need lower tax rates, we need radical simplification of the tax code so an entrepreneur does not look at it and say i cannot possibly understand 26,000 pages and give up before they start. tax reform. we need immigration reform. we desperately need immigration reform. criminals aside the who are coming in where the people who have broken our laws or the human traffickers, why is it that people come to this country? because they envision a better life for themselves and their families. because they are desperate

the c c >> reporter: administration clearly feared a train wreck as max baucus has famously warned and that would not be good going into an election year. >> there is new ammunition for republicans who dislike the intensely and the image of it being unworkable. so it may not be a train wreck, but you see a lot of democratic candidates running fast to get away from it as they can. >> you want a bright shiny vehicle to campaign on on. and i think there are some justified concerns from senators on both sides. >> reporter: afocio leader caused the delay troubling. other analysts wonder if the administration is forcing employers to provide insurance, why the mandate forcing individuals to have insurance was left in place. >> jim, thank you. >>> well, texas republicans have voted to move forward with a strict new abortion law. the full texas house is expected to vote on the bill next week. protesters on both sides were at the capitol yesterday. pro-choicers attempted to drown them out including one of hail satan. even if you don't own a computer, you're still paying to be on facebook. and up

it's the guy who wrote the bill max baucus called it a train wreck. >> no. >> yes. >> no. >> yes. >>> yes, yes, want to bet? >> he's talking about a train wreck. all right. we'll continue. the president is still going and still talk. we'll have more on his speechlt if i was actually playing it we would probably have an audience as low as [ male announcer ] at his current pace, bob will retire when he's 153, which would be fine if bob were a vampire. but he's not. ♪ he's an architect with two kids and a mortgage. luckily, he found someone who gave him a fresh perspective on his portfolio. and with some planning and effort, hopefully bob can retire at a more appropriate age. it's not rocket science. it's just common sense. from td ameritrade. ... reat gear during the storewide clearance sale at bass pro shops. and bring the kids for our pbr family event this weekend. where you can meet a real rider or see a real bull at select stores. plus kids' activities, all for free. >>> welcome back the "hannity." we have austan goolsbee and radio talk show host hugh hewlett. >> you can make it to

he was the democratic senator head of the budget, committee max baucus who knows of which he speaks maximumransfer of wealth from young it to the old. young people are going to be paying double and triple what would ordinarily be paying in health insurance if the premium were linked to the risk which is the way that would be for the last 600 years in insurance. it's not. it's linked to what nancy pelosi and harry reid agreed upon as the risk ratio. they are going to be doubling and trip fling. that's the effect the free lunch part of this affair is now over. >> no such thing. first thing i learned in business school. thank you, panel. that's it for the panel. stay tuned for a reporter who did his very best not to become a part of the story but didn't exactly succeed. >> shannon: finally tonight, one of the first rules for reporters is not become a part of the story. even the very best effort to stick to that rule sometimes fail. ♪ >> here come the police to break up another night of protest. and here is the water canon just coming in as well. it's not known whether these protests -- don't k

it was max baucus, senate chairman, democrat chairman of the finance committee who said that this wasrain wreck. they know it's a train wreck, so i wouldn't be so quick to suggest that they're never going to take this up. bill: a lot he said in that interview. stephen hayes, fox news contributor, how you doing and good morning to you. >> morning, bill. bill: now what your picking up there in washington is how the house would go about this, and they could possibly, two big fiscal fights coming up in the fall. one deals with the debt ceiling. how would this work it way into that discussion? >> well, it's interesting, there have been repeated conversations including house leadership among house republicans about attaching some sort of suspension of obamacare across the board suspension of obamacare to any debt ceiling hike. now, you have tea party types in the republican party who will say that'd be great, but it's not enough, and you have others who say let's do it. but it's been an active and live part of the discussions about how to handle the debt ceiling going forward. i don't know

as max baucus said, is a train wreck and needs to be refigured, repealed, waver you want to do, fix. some of the votes have had overwhelming bipartisan support and we actually repealed the reporting requirement. we had 85 amendments when this was considered that were never allowed by the democrats to be voted on on the house floor. >> if the president cuts a deal and gets a deal, bipartisan deal with the republican house on immigration reform, doesn't that undercut the message that you just said about they won't work with the president, they won't do obstruction, they give him basically a second signature piece of domestic legislation in the first year of his second term? >> good policy is good politics. what is in our interest is in the country's illness. a solution, a compromise. i've looked at this every which way. people want a compromise. united states senate, 68 senators came together in a compromise. as far left as elizabeth warren. if it can work in the senate, if bush and obama can agree on it, why can't house republicans let us at lead vote? vote yes, vote no, but let us vo

it's the guy who wrote the bill max baucus called it a train wreck. >> no. >> yes. >> no. >> yes. >>o. >> yes, yes, want to bet? >> he's talking about a train wreck. all right. we'll continue. the president is still going and still talk. we'll have more on his speechlt if i was actually playing it we would probably have an audience as low as cnn and them as combined. up next. and the incredible rush... of the mercedes-benz you've always wanted. ♪ but you better get here fast... [ girl ] yay, daddy's here. here you go, honey. thank you. [ male announcer ] because a good thing like this... phew! won't last forever. mmm. [ male announcer ] see your authorized dealer for an incredible offer on the exhilarating c250 sport sedan. but hurry, offers end july 31st. test test test test test test test test test test test test test test test test ing better. so now i can help make this a great block party. ♪ [ male announce ] advair is clinically proven to help significantly improve lung function. unlike most copd medications, advair contains both an anti-inflammatory and a long-acting bronchodi

. >> that's max baucus. it's causing businesses not to hire full time workers. we're discussing with the audience the issue of division in the country. we see a lot of this in washington. you've been there a while, how divided is it in d.c.? >> you know, d.c.'s pretty divided, there's a lot of talk about how divided d.c. is on the news. what people sometimes overlook is that there are a lot of areas where we actually agree. sometimes there are areas we agree too often. the bigger division i see, is the division that's taking place twin the political governing class in washington of either political party on the one hand and the american people on the other. when we put forward big new programs like obama care, that's bad, and we have to not fund it. >>> coming up, we're going to have a lot more with the studio audience. the hot topic of race relations in america is front and center, when juan williams will debate colonel west. >>> first, breaking news involving anthony weiner, candidate for mayor in new york. brand new lewd photos and messages have emerged and t

people wonder why he couldn't persuade four democratic senators including one who was actually max baucus decided to leave the senate. doesn't the president of the united states have enough clout? >> that would not have been enough. in other words, the focus on the democrats when 90% of the democrats voted for the bill and 90% of the republicans voted against the bill. i think there's some room for getting some votes on the republican side as much as i would have liked the democrats to vote for it. it still would not have been enough. one of the things -- one of the statements that people make is, well, it's not going any place in the house so why would we take political jeopardy of doing this if it is not going any place. well, i would disabuse them of that notion. >> are you not giving up on guns. >> we are never going away until we can pass this background check bill because it will affect so much in terms of gun violence prevention in our country. even more than banning assault weapons. 500-some people -- as horrible as it be, and as obvious as it is that they should be banned, noneth

inside it when they voted for it and now they're very, very afraid and they know -- look at senator max baucusreck. >> it will be interesting to watch and see what happens. there are a lot of people for, a lot of people against it. it's never stopped having a lot of controversy. congressman, thank you, sir. >> thanks for having me, greta. >> did the obama administration did something dirty? our next guest says the administration did and it cost 25 people jobs. are the real numbers much bigger? find out next. for the small and the tall. for the strong and the elegant. for the authentic. for at home and on the go. for pessimists and optimists. for those who love you a little and those who love you a lot. for ultimate flavor and great refreshment with or without calories. for carefree enjoyment. for those who have a lot to say >>. >> for us. for everyone. forever. >> greta: employer mandate is bad business saying i will cost jobs and lots of them, then, to the surprise of everyone, the obama administration listed the news it was delaying employer mandates. so are employers happy? he joins us. goo

and a law that the author of the in the senate max baucus recently described as a train wreck. >> senatorasked if he would consider defunding obama care to try to get republican support for extending the nation's borrowing authority. >> we are not negotiating on the debt ceiling. the president said. this i have said it. and i don't know how many more times we need to say that. >> meanwhile a senior house appropriations member, the money guys around here, says this is dangerous. >> shutting down the government to, you know, get your way over an unrelated piece of legislation is a political equivalent of throwing a temper tantrum. it's just not helpful. >> we can expect that letter to be sent to senator reid sometime tomorrow. shep? >> shepard: mike, thanks. the federal judge handling detroit's bankruptcy case says anybody had that has problems with it will have to go through him. the judge ordering a stop to lawsuits that challenge the filing in other courts. it comes after a michigan county judge last week ruled that the bankruptcy case violates the state's constitution. this is just the

donate to the person that is on the committee that has influence over what i do if i looked at max baucus top donors it is not hard to imagine with those banking organizations. so i am delegating to people who will make the decisions but as an individual person ideologically do they have issues that support my issue position? to go further to that model of campaign finance democratic women benefit from the ideological donors who cares about women's rights. there is no conflict but the conflict those policy priorities and still get the electoral support. but even the democratic women will worry. so i talked to several who said if he does this in this but she is trying to get communication and trying to booker on the sunday shows for something other than abortion because they want to establish her to have other expertise to and other interest as democratic women band together, they don't want to be stereotyped as women who do with women issues. feinstein talks about that. >> i talked to dianne feinstein and other senators about this when i was a lonely reporter and the road a couple of stor

popular democratic governor brian schweitzer of montana announced he would not run for the seat max baucuseld for 36 years. this comes as harry reid is threatening to invoke the nuclear option, a change to senate rules to limit filibusters on executive branch nominations and leave confirmations possible by a simple majority vote. >> the changes we're making are very, very minimal. what we're doing is saying look, american people, shouldn't president obama have somebody working for him that he wants? the constitution's pretty specific. if you want a supermajority vote, look at what a veto is or a treaty. but if you want to look at nomination, you know what the founding fathers said? simple majority. this is not judges. this is not legislation. this is allowing the people of america to have a president who could have his team, to have his team in place. this is nothing like went on before. >> tonight, all 100 senators were invited to a rare clos closed-door meeting in the old senate chamber where there are no c-span cameras to see if an agreement could possibly be reached on seven executive

inside it when they voted for it and now they're very, very afraid and they know -- look at senator max baucusck. >> it will be interesting to watch and see what happens. there are a lot of people for, a lot of people against it. it's never stopped having a lot of controversy. congressman, thank you, sir. >> thanks for having me, greta. >> did the obama administration did something dirty? our next guest says the administration did and it cost 25 people jobs. 25 people jobs. are the real numbers fish when it's foggy. the fish are more active and they're easier to catch. (fish splashing into water.) tony! we need more fog! (engine starting. wheels screeching.) now that's a good fishin' buddy! announcer: check out huge savings this weekend at bass pro shops' storewide clearance sale. [ herbie ] eh, hold on brent, what's this? mmmm, nice car. there's no doubt, that's definitely gonna throw him off. she's seen it too. oh this could be trouble. [ sentra lock noise ] oh man. gotta think fast, herbie. back pedal, back pedal. [ crowd cheering ] oh, he's down in flames and now the ice-cold shoulder. one

it was max baucus, senate chairman, democrat chairman of the finance committee who said that this was a train wreck. they know it's a train wreck, so i wouldn't be so quick to suggest that they're never anything to take this up. i would urge senator harry reid, the majority leader, put these two bills on the floor of the senate delay the employer mandate and to delay the individual mandate, and let's see what happens. >> all right, let's talk about the other big issue, and that is immigration. i just want to cut right to the chase here. will you allow any immigration bill to come to the house floor for a vote if it is includes some kind of path to citizenship for the 11 million illegal immigrants that are in this country now? >> bob, we have a broken immigration system. the ill-- the legal immigration system is broken. we have the problem with 11 million people who are here without documents. 40% of whom, by the way, came here as legal immigrants. so we've got a very big problem. and-- what i've committed is, one, the house does not like the senate bill. you know, it's one big massive

listen, as max baucus said, it's a train wreck.employers are reducing their hours so they don't have to comply with it from 40 to 30. the costs are out of control. the 18 new taxes are about to click in. they're affecting individuals and businesses in a dramatic fashion. it's a jobs killer. that's a fact. you can try to put, you know the flowers on it, but it's a big mess. >> it is interesting -- and you do wonder, given the fact that a lot of this was predicted by republicans a long time ago, that the unions are suddenly realizing that under obamacare that companies only with 50 employees or more are going to be subject to it. so there's an incentive to have 49 employees or 48. and also it only involves a workweek of 30 hours or more. so if you work 29 hours or 28, then you're not covered. why did it take the unions so long, senator bayh, to realize this could be a problem in terms of jobs and length of workweek? >> it's a huge complex piece of legislation, chris, and there are always going to be problems and it's always going to

let's face it, it's max baucus, it's senator harry reid, that have called the implementation of obama care a train wreck -- >> corker said it was silly. do you agree with him? that it is silly to use defunding obama care as a bargaining chip? >> listen, what we need to do is move forward in unified fashion. to do whatever we can to prevent obama care from taking root. there are a lot of options. i'd like to see the house pass a bill that allows states to opt out. i would love to see a repeal of the medical device tax. president obama should sign into law. how about a law to prohibit the irs from being involved in the implementation and the operation of obama care? these are the types of things i'd like to see the house move forward so we can demonstrate to the american public how the support for obama care is eroding in congress. look at the letters the unions wrote to congress. basically wrote a letter saying you've got to fix this thing. it is destroying the 40 hour workweek. the the more we can to in terms of raising the profile of the damage obama care's going to do to our economy

and forget the compromise worked out between dave camp in the house and max baucus in the senate andeement. no, says senator reid, we can't have tax cuts, we must have more revenue, a trillion dollars more, he's making the political calculation that the slogan, tax the rich, will bring in the votes next year, who cares about growth and prosperity if you can convince voters that taxing the rich makes solid policy. sure, it's divisive, class warfare. if you win at the polls, who cares? well, america is beginning to care, we have recession fatigue. we want growth. we want jobs, we want rising, not falling incomes. after four years of misery we know that raising taxes does not work. i said a trillion dollar tax hike will be a disaster for the middle class, so it will be. we've added 7 trillion in debt and no prosperity to show for it. can you imagine the impact of taxes on top of obamacare, they don't care, they want to take more money, more of your money to buy votes, all the money all the time, prosperity be damned. , making it easier to try filters and strategies... to get a list of e

he opted not to run against max baucus. the pundits are thinking that republicans have a slight edge there. the math favors the republicans in this cycle, but not in 2016. as far as the house, democrats need to pick up a substantial amount, 17, right now, many democrats have to worry about their seats as well as republicans. few think that democrats can win back the house in 2014. let's see what the implementation of obamacare is. if that goes smoothly, democrats will go well. it does not, republicans will do well. the other issue will be the economy and both parties want to get out their base in midterm elections. host: in recent midterms, we have seen wave elections, a big wins for one side or another. what is the prediction for this upcoming midterm? will this be closer? guest: it is a little bit too early to say. history has not been kind. they called the six-year itch. presidents are in their second year election. president obama had a tough midterm election in 2010. it was a shellacking where republicans took back the

not to run against max baucus. thatundits are thinking republicans have a slight edge there.avors the republicans in this cycle but not in 2016. house, democrats need to pick up a substantial amount, feasible 17, right now, many democrats have to worry about their seats as well as republicans. few think that democrats can win back the house in 2014. let's see what the implementation of obama care is free of that goes smoothly, democrats will go well. it does not, republicans will do well. the other issue will be the economy and both parties want to get out their base in midterm elections. host: in recent midterms, we have seen wave elections, a big wins for one side or another. what is the prediction for this upcoming midterm? will this be closer? guest: it is a little bit too early to say. history has not been kind. they called the six-year itch or. . but presidents are in their second year election. president obama had a tough midterm election in 2010. it was a shellacking where republicans took back the house and cut into the democratic majority. republicans,te this is pro

ones who are going to train wreck you've got democrats they're calling my trash is one example max baucus is not a democrat oh yeah he's retired and i'm like ok everybody i think ok here to support me if he's not a member of the cult. ok. ok if we're going to say here is that their talk about people that actually want to watch this movement to help those that are just getting out of college just starting out the majority of them are saying they would rather pay the fine it be cheaper for them to pay the fine than actually have to do it and how it would actually have to sign up or have the employer pay for the health care they're refusing it they're not when you do it you've got companies that are having to cut people down to part time workers because they're not going to be able to survive paying for obamacare and if the fordable health care actually got companies back in the other things i was in. my way i wanted to. i got him saying the company said the only thing i love most you guys talk about low information voters the american people say i'm sure we have to survey a majority of them

>> with max baucus in chairman dave camp said we are starting with the clean slate that means fallingptions are gone and starting from scratch. cheryl: you are getting ahead of it now to get the message out. when the the things you have in your argument to congress is everyone dollar of taxes to the credit union member equate such a dollars of losses. explain the math. >> there are 96 million credit union members said they own the credit union. because they are not for profit and they do have a of a tax preference they are a better deal. it is not just because of the tax exemption so they estimate they can raise five did million in revenue by taxing the credit union. but we know the consumer benefit to the tune of $8 billion because credit unions keep the bank rate more competitive. cheryl: it is the members of the benefit given to the corporation just like health care. >> writes. and not pay dividends to shareholders in a return to profits in the members pay the taxes on he profits they received with a better deal. is not the credit union that pays the taxes it is 86 million american

last week senators max baucus and orrin hatch, the chairman and top republican on the finance committee, announced their plan to overhaul the nation's tax code on what's being called a zero plan. under their plan all corporate and personal income laws would be scrapped unless lawmakers make the case by the end of july for them to be included. when house members return next week, they will be looking at crafting a strategy to consider their own immigration bill. this following the passage of immigration in the senate last week. house republicans are scheduled to meet behind closed doors july 10th to map out a plan. in the senate members are expected to take up the issue of federally-subsidized student loans. the rates doubled july 1st for new loans. for the rest of the month, the house and senate pretty much will be focusing on annual spending bills that fund the federal government. both house and senate returning next week, next monday. the senate here on c-span2 and the house on c-span. booktv in prime time continues tonight with personal reflections. beginning at 8 eastern, an intervi

. >> it make you wonder when you look back at the statement by max baucus that it was a train wreck and kathleen sebelius saying it's tougher to implement than we thought. when you get to the individual mandate we wonder if they will be forced to decide on their own that pushing it through is too onerous, that things will start to crop up in the middle of an election cycle that could be problematic for democrats to stand behind this. >> it clearly will be problematic for read state or purple state democrats to defend this law in an election year in 2014 and there are several of them up for reelection in 2014 who may affected by this battle. but the administration -- a lot of people looking eight and the analysis of it. they want to get as many people signed up as possible. so even if there are bumps in the road in implementation that people are signed on. once you have something you are signed on to it's tough for washington to take it away. then you run the risk if the obama-care overall doesn't work out as planned you may have democrats calling for single payer and where that goes i t

. >> this obama-care law is not only a train wreck as democratic senator max baucus calls it.ss at this point. congress passed thisin the deadf night. they didn't make pieces fit together very well. ever since then parts have been delayed. waivers have been granted to unions and other friends of the administration. now we have this law passed by congress. the administration whose policy by blog post. it's not their decision. this law works with a whole bunch of other parts of the law. there are subsidies people are supposed to get starting next year if they want to get insurance. how in the world do we know their employer does or does not offer insurance if you are not enforcing this part of the law. this train wreck is become a nuclear explosion. gregg: i'm not sure the president has the authority to ignore a law. that would be part of the line item veto which he does not have. what angers so many americans. obama-care was originally crafted in secret. now you have got this secret deal giving certain businesses a break on top of all the favors given to obama supporters on top