editor at gray zone dot com max blumenthal and eric surat can author and human rights lawyer everyone thank you very much for joining us now this this ruling on a son just fate i mean he's been evading arrest for years in the ecuadorian embassy and it's been over a year since he was actually arrested i want to ask all of you maybe we could start with max blumenthal was this a surprising decision to you. it was a truly despair surprising decision because you know i expected a judge to who we knew so little about who had. ruled so often in support of the british security state to simply be a rubber stamp and what was interesting about it to me was the way that the judge's decision essentially endorsed the entire narrative of the u.s. national security state. and the 2010 cables and wiki leaks as a whole including the right of the cia to spy on assad. and at the same time they seem to find a way of saving face by deciding that a songe was indeed a suicide risk and the judge issued this studying indictment of the u.s. federal prison system a site where a son could be potentially tortured