you heard earlier about keith who was the agent on the iceman max butler case. he is the head of squad 16 in pittsburgh. earlier today for a brief period of time look was in the room, now with n.s.d., formerly in western pennsylvania and he was the prosecutor. if you don't want to read the book king pin you can pull up american greed and put in iceman and for 55 minutes you can read and see luke and keith and that's kind of the beginning of the story in western pennsylvania. but with all of that talent and the ncfta, national cyber forensic training alliance, a one of a kind public-private partnership. and cserp, i still felt that we were going way out on a limb but we had no choice. we had a shooting with fatalities and less than a week later a series of threats against the university and the chancellor was in the position of determining whether or not he evacuated upon these cyber-based threats. he ultimately did each time. and there was pretty much no question that that was exactly what the threatener wanted him to do. this threat stream ultimately had a tail

the main story is a hacker by the name of max butler.he is a fantastic story writer and is going to make a great movie someday. his transmission. his transition from white hat hacker to black hat hacker is really interesting. his claim to fame is that there was four or five main underground informer selling credit cards and he didn't like the way they were operating so he decided to fi fix it in the y he did it was a marathon session from 48 hours of hacking and took down all of those web sites that criminals were using to control the data put them on his own underground forum and put a banner across the four web site saying come to my site. if he was a good guy we would be high-fiving everyone that did that. his downfall was that he had one of the site temple traded by the fbi. asia mullarkey moved up in the ranks of an underground forum and was the administrator of that web site. he kept meticulous backup so he was able to come back up on line quickly compared to the others. because of that operation he was able to figure out who max b

it covers from about 2006 to 2007 2007.ú the hacker by the name of max butler.he has a fantastic story and it will make a great movie. his transition from white hat to black hat is really interesting. his claim to fame is that there were about four or five main underground forms where the bad guys were selling credit cards and he didn't like the way he was operating. the way he did it was a marathon session of hacking where they took down all of those websites with the criminals using. he took control of the data and put them on his own forum and put a banner across the four websites saying i am the kingpin. come o. that's awesome. if he was a good guy, we would be going up and hie fiving everybody. s it downfall was that he hooked one of the sites that was infiltrated. his famous story. the agent had moved up in the ranks of that underground forum and was the administrator of that website. he kept meticulous back ups and he was able to come out quickly because of the others and fe figured out who max butler was. that was a of the history of how we got here. >>

versus a max butler is that some of them had access to the structure that drives cyber crime. it's in other parts of the world as well, but we talk about financially-motivated attackers the driving of that infrastructure is well protected and coordinated and they move it whr they need to based upon the landscape. so u.s. hackers having access to that, to be able to monetize the information a they steal very quickly is becoming more and more limited due to the successes of law enforcement around the world. it's important to highlight two things, one, law enforcement is having success in this space. there has an impact. year over year we see statistics that i could map back to law enforcement successes, whether it was using pacts back in 2007, to switching to mal ware and going from central databases o of credit card data to targeting point of sale terminals around the world and harnessing that information in more of an automated, scripted opportunistic way. the impacts of law enforcement and the prosecution of these folks has an impact. in your work highlight that ifr effort. h

you heard earlier about the agent on the iceman max butler case. earlier today for a brief period of time, he's now -- he was formerly in western pennsylvania and he was the prosecutor. if you don't want to read the book you can can pull up the american creed and put in the iceman and for 55 minutes you can read all about this and that is kind of the beginning of the story in pennsylvania but with all of that talent and the one-of-a-kind public-private partnership i still felt we were going out on a limb but we have no choice. we had a shooting with fatalities and less than a week later, a series of threats against the university and the chancellor was in the position of determining whether or not he evacuated on the cyber-based threats. these cyber-based threats. he also knew what he did each kind and there was pretty much no question but that is that that is exactly what they wanted him to do. this extreme had a tail to it which was to individuals from cincinnati who in another purpose they were threat of activists who use the anonymous to trigge

you heard earlier about keith who was the agent on the iceman max butler case.he is the head of squad 16 in pittsburgh. earlier today for a brief period of time, luke was in the room. he was formerly in western pennsylvania and he was the prosecutor. if you don't want to read the book "kingpin," pull in american gr greed and you can read about this. that's kind of the beginning of the story in western pennsylvania. with all of that talent and the national forensic cyber alliance and the partnership between dhs and carnegie mellon, i felt we were going out on a limb, but we had no choice. we had a shooting with fatalities and less than a week later, a series of threats against the university. the chancellor was in the position of determining whether or not he evacuated upon these signe cyber-based threats. he did each time. there was no question that that was exactly what the threatener wanted him to do. this threat stream ultimately had a tail to it which was two individuals from cincinnati who were another part of the threat who used the anonymous moniker to fu

. >> take the example of max butler. he tried to be that and it didn't work, right? riminals realize that. max got arrested because the people that he e -- even though he -- they had the whole undercover operation with doc market run out of pittsburgh, that didn't matter. people got arrested in his crew in los angeles and they rolled and they knew him personally and where his operation was in california. they brought us to him. right? so that model doesn't work in this space entirely because -- and you have with the internet, you have the ability to take away the human interaction which minimizes your risk. language is a barrier, a countermeasure, right? we talk about russians and threat actors, but if i don't speak russian, potentially that could be a countermeasure that russian speaking criminals could use to alleviate anybody from accessing their infrastructure. and having access to the things they do i think it's important to, you know, when you talk about the organized crime model, right, in this space they have tried it. people have tried it and it doesn't alway

. >> take the example of max butler. he tried to be that but it didn't work. minals realize that. max got arrested because even though he had the whole undercover operation was dark market that didn't matter. people got arrested and his crew in los angeles in the world and they knew him personally and they knew where his operation was in california. they brought us to him. that model doesn't work in this space entirely and with the internet you have the ability to take away the human interaction which minimizes your risk. language is also a barrier. it's a countermeasure. we talked about russian speaking infrastructure and threat acto actors. if i don't speak russian potentially that could be a countermeasure that russian speaking criminals could use to alleviate anyone from access in there for structure and having access to the things that they do. i think it's important when you talk about the organized crime model in the space they have tried it and people i've tried it and it doesn't always work. >> we have reached the end of our time credit want to thank t

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