it was poetry readings. >> i at buoyed the village vanguard success by and large to max gordon who ranabout him. >> this was max's office. there's a picture of max sitting right here in this spot. this is the same terrible ugly desk. i dare not get rid of it. >> my father max sat down very strong roots. >> these days debra gordon helps her mother run the club her father created. >> what is, that another message? >> yeah, it just came. >> what's the secret to the vanguard's long survival? it might be knowing what to change and when. through the '40s, '50s and 506s the vanguard's format shifted from poetry to jazz, and the business model shifted, too. >> we don't serve food. i have no food bills. that could eat up half your business. we through food out. when the chef died, the restaurant part went with hi. that's great. people don't care. you know, all that clatter and the smells that go with the foot and the roaches, oh, god. don't even talk to me about it. >> event think came to be known as a showcase for new musical talent, from john coltrane and miles davis, to harry belafonte, even

when were you informed about the payments made to gordon taylor and max clifford? >> no. >> you were not nmpled? -- informed? >> no. >> at no point you were told they were made payments? >> not that i heard, sir. >> okay. you never informed the chief executive at news corporation -- >> can i answer the questions now? >> i want you to tell me if you informed your father that you authorized payments to gordon taylor as a result of him being a victim of a crime? >> the settlement with mr. taylor and happy to address that matter in some detail if you'd like. my father became aware after the settlement was made in 2009, i believe after the confidential settlement had become public and the newspaper reported on the out of court settlement afterwards, but please understand that the settlement they out of court, and out of court settlement of the civil claim of that nature and with that -- of that quantum is something that normally in a company our size, the responsible executives in the territory of the country would be authorized to make, and that's the way the company f