let's get to max kettner, hsbc multi-asset strategist, who joins us now. how significant is this? how investable is this in terms of the german response? max: yes, perhaps. what we have seen in the last couple of weeks and months is that the german dax was outperforming quite a lot against all the other peers, whether that's france, against the broader -- in equity market and that probably is also partly due to the very outsized response from the fiscal side in germany. if we look at the last 8, 9 years, we have not gotten used to it. perhaps that has a little bit more room to run, yes. overall for euros and equity markets, i doubt that there will be this very strong rotation out of u.s. equity markets into euros and equity markets. , think that's where the signal just an extension of a furlough program in germany is not as investable as it seems i think. anna: ok. is this something that only happens in germany? because germany was well-prepared for this, and the sense that they already have this furlough scheme up and running as part of their general infrastructure. it has been em