the oxford vaccine group working on collective responsibility for infectious disease in london max lawson is head of inequality policy at oxfam international very well welcome to the program thanks for joining us here on inside story i'd like to begin with you samantha america as a read saying is about to receive control of a patient of basically the technology which is at the heart of several coronavirus vaccines can you explain that for us and what it might be so i think we have already lost some opportunities to apply pressure on pharma companies to open license and we know that already but there there is a chance that the governments like the u.s. can now apply pressure to have more transfer of technology through their ownership things like this with pate. so this patent is i guess millette killer engineering this is this is being described as the last best chance that we have the equitable access what do you think thomas pogge do you think this is the world's last best chance do you think that the world will take it will the us use this opportunity to pressure the drug makers now tha

let them bring in our guest joining us from london is max lawson who is the head of inequality policy at oxfam international and with us from new delhi is russia. on an intellectual property lawyer and legal counsel for not co pharma and joining us from barcelona is jeffrey lazarus who's the head of the health systems research group at the barcelona institute for global health thanks for joining us welcome to inside story max let me start with you you say there is huge support to remove intellectual property or ip and this movement is gaining ground when it comes to the coronavirus vaccine tell us why you say that and what you're basing that on well i think when you see that number of countries now supporting example pricker in india the government yard 100 countries you're seeing people at the party print a very private group we're hearing brontë this. things that cracks are appearing in some of the richer countries governments nancy pelosi had of the democrats in the senate came out in favor of just last week so i think we are seeing momentum building and it's no surprise really bec