caroline hyde standing by with the so-called paypal mafia, max levchin.was just reading piece where you were quoted saying that you live in the land of giants. you are at the moment but a at thewhen you look likes of goldman sachs. how does a firm which you have firm,ed on your shirt -- af what you have branded on your shirt, grow? >> the road is shaping up nicely, but we are not particularly focused on measuring ourselves up to anyone -- any one particular giant. we are more focused on creating value for our customers, partners, and i think the big simtech has been a wrong one where many companies say, everyone is a bunch of idiots and we are not going to be anything like you guys. that is wrong. isrican financial systems the single best one in the world and being a member of the club is an essential part of our plan and anyone who wants to be around for the long term, so i do not think i need to jump into being a giant, but i want to grow my way into the club. caroline: talk to us about the growth. the moment it is retail profit, what can you be looking

that is max levchin. caroline? caroline: yes, max with me now.reading a piece where you were quoted saying you live in the land of giants. midget.at the moment a how does a firm which you have branded on your shirt become more than a midget and rival the giants? max: by growing as quickly as we has been, the road is heating up nicely. but we are not particularly focused on measuring ourselves up to any one particular giant. we are much more excited about creating value for our customers, our merchant partners , our partners in the financial industry. wrongg trend has been the one where companies, many companies walked out and say, everyone here is a bunch of idiots. we are not going to be anything like you guys. and that's just wrong. american financial system is probably the single best one in the world, and being a member of is a central part of our plan and everyone who wants to be around for the long term. i don't think i need to jump into being a giants, but i want to grow my way into the firm. caroline: talk to us about that growth. what pr