host: hiram lewis, you talk about the physicist max planck in your book, why? guest: because he was an inventor of quantum theory, one of the great theories of all time and he was a practicing christian. hard-core religious believer there is this bizarre idea and i can't believe anyone believes it that there is a war between science and religion. it's preposterous. if you look at every great scientist throughout history including darwin them him and religious believers. albert einstein, galileo , copernicus, go through the rollcall of great scientist route history and every single one has been a religious believer. there is no war or to the only time they is when you have people step outside the boundary, when you have religious people trying to make scientific statements and trim the book of genesis into a biology footprint and that's where we run into problem or when you have scientists making religious claims. science is the realm of the empirical and repeatable, what you can find in a laboratory. religion is the realm of the ultimate. site is on capable of