max richter should for me, when i was going up, was essentially that i would find some man to marry andecome a housewife and raise a family. emily: how did you break out of that? drew: i was good in school and i loved school. so as i pursued my educational ambitions, that took me into college, and into a world where different expectations prevailed. i went to an all women's college , bryn mawr, and i was taught by intellectuals, scholastic and academic women. so i began to see possibilities in their lives that i was able to imagine for my own. emily: you were the first harvard president without a harvard degree. you went to the university of pennsylvania after graduating from an more weather history degree, that he became history professor. drew: i was a student activist in college, very involved in politics, civil rights issues, vietnam war protests, and cared a lot about changing the world and having an impact on the world. when i graduated from college i worked in the department of housing and urban development, and i hoped in an idealistic way to move into maybe urban planning or so