not talk about is the lgbtq life in the safe community, so we invite you in a conversation with maxine epstein, at the jewish community high school, and rabbi, the director of music at berkeley, and welcome.>>> jumping into the conversation, this is different than what we usually have, but the lgbtq life in the safe community and jewish community, let's start out and asked each of you what your community -- your experiences been in the jewish community. maxine.>> i will date myself, so i him twice last. being a lesbian and being jewish was very difficult because i did not come out until graduate school. i did not think that being [ null ] had anything to being jewish, and i had no role model, and no one to model myself after. i did not think that i could be jewish and [ null ] until i met someone in graduate school at the same seminary that i attended as a commuter -- communal professional studying nonprofit management. and my first lover was at the college at usc and i realized that the heavens opened. talking about intersection analogy, two primary parts of myself that became integrated.>>>