how and against whom ah to discuss these issues and more, i'm joined by my guess here in moscow, maxine susco, he's the director of the center of advanced american studies at moscow state institute of international relations. and we have to meet your bobbitt, she is a political adult editor and you know me, internet media project. i generally cross top roles. in fact, that means you can jump anytime you want. and i would appreciate okay, much kind of put us all together because you know, we have 2 major sabotaged as we have the north stream pipelines. and then we have the bridge connecting crimea to the russian mainland. these are infrastructure projects, civilian infrastructure. though, obviously everything can be dual purpose these days. we still haven't seen a major direct reaction from moscow. i think there's a tendency here in moscow is for a strong reaction. but you know, there's, there's a big difference between scoring points and achieving goals. and i think that the, the dilemma that the russian side is looking at this, all of this, obviously to one degree another at the behest of th