post," legal analyst maya wily, who is also the former chair of the new york civilian complaint review board that independently oversees the new york police department, and jelani cobb of the new yorker back with us again. maya, i want to speak to you about this because you were the former chair of the new york city civilian complaint review board. "the new york times" had an article where it reads across the country, civilian review boards generally composed of members of the public have been notoriously weak. they gather accounts but can't enforce recommendations. the review board in minneapolis was replaced by an agency called the office of conduct review. only 12 have resulted in an officer being disciplined, the most severe censure has been a 40 hour suspension. talk to me about civilian review, because cops don't like it. >> you're right, ali. cops don't like it. police departments don't like it. civilian oversight is critical, and here's why. we can't think data and information on discipline into the dark and expect either the ability to understand the systemic issues in the police department or gain public trust about the fact that there's meaningful account