white supremacist groups is jeremy kumar of managing editor of covert action magazine and dr maya hoskins hoskins and haas can a 100 well hoskin forbes contributor and assistant professor at loyola marymount university in the school of education thank you both so much for coming on and joining us today. thanks for having me. jeremy and i want to start with you what is the cause of battalions history in regards to neo nazi ism and what role debate played today in the cultivation of white supremacy groups around the world. well my understanding is that the you know the war in eastern ukraine is a dirty war it hasn't been really very well covered in united states media but there's been a lot 1 of atrocities in that war and there are elements of the ukrainian it's kind of like a vietnam war where the ukrainian military like the american army in vietnam was very divided and a lot of you know italian ukrainian military ambivalent about fighting their own people of eastern ukraine because that whole war originated after coup d'etat backed by united states in 2014 in those provinces in the east were lawi