maya wiley is here with me and david k. johnson, a pulitzer prize winning investigative journalist. welcome, david. >> glad to be here with you, ari. >> glad to have you. maya and i are looking into the camera. i'm told that we've got you by phone, which we'll take, okay? we'll take what we can get of you on a breaking news night. i'm going to put up on the screen something i read just moments ago -- as we're all trying to make sense of this breaking news -- parties are directed to recommend independent receivers to manage the quote, dissolution of these canceled trump llcs. i invite to you analyze what you think that would mean given your knowledge of how this business run as well as your reaction to a ruling of fraud in the trump org that's a long time coming. >> well, the judge here in his partial summary judgment, first of all, dismissed trump's request for summary dismissal of the case against him, and then has made it clear that trump engaged in all of these frauds, as he takes a 35-pages to walk through all of the material. and i expect he'll appoint a receiver to take charge

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maya wiley is back with us. maya, i'm cure your thoughts as to how that works for jack smith. someone might say, wow, he knew that was coming or acted recklessly as kind of an opinion, but what would jack smith do with this? >> well, this just goes to underscore a point about trump's state of mind. if you're facing criminal charges and part of the allegation is, you did a crime, you know, by definition, different from a civil trial, you have to establish exactly what was going on. you can do it by inference. you don't have to be direct evidence. and of course in this case, the fact that he had the documents is already a legal problem for him. but on the obstruction, on the fact that he had the request for the documents back and then said, i don't have them. i don't know. but yet he's having this exchange with an attorney, really plotting out, well, what if i do this? what if i had them this way? what if i refuse to comply? it establishes a frame of mind that is extremely helpful to the prosecution and extremely harmful to trump. >> yeah. he was on the conservative hugh hewitt'

i'm join by emily bazelon and maya wiley. maya, i mentioned to viewers, this is huh the process works georgia they are more transparent. interesting, we all move so fast. everyone's back from summer, labor day, on to fall, school, life. wasn't that long ago we went through the booking and now we have more information than we did that night. if we had this footage we would have looked at it that night and said, gosh, this is what it looks like in there. what you do see both in that, which i think is the larger mood, if you will, as well as the legal setbacks that i mention ready quite binding against some of these codefendants? >> yeah, i'm struck by just how meaningful it is that someone who held the nation's highest job was actually spending time in a process that was something that so many people have gone through themselves, and it's an example of how visually and emotionally, what it means to hold everyone, especially if you held the -- accountable. but going back to the state law point, but also cannot move forward, ari,

joining me now is maya wiley and former assistant u.s. attorney and doug jones, former senator from alabama, a distinguished senior fellow. it says something that it is necessary to hide the identities of the jurors. i remember in the e.j. carroll case the judge said never say who you are because donald trump is a known threatener of individual and he has known violent supporters. >> sadly, we know that from the grand jury proceeding in fulton county when grand jurors started feeling threatened because they were getting threats after their identities were revealed. so they already had direct knowledge and experience of the fact that they had to protect jurors from this process. and to your point, you know, we already know donald trump explicitly called out remember, shea moss and ruby friedman, two public servants who were simply counting ballots and that false information led to them to have racist attacks of intimidation and have to call 911. we heard the testimony in the january 6th hearings how that impacted their lives. there's nothi

zuck placed with attorney maya wiley while musk, the tesla ceo, was seated next to palantir's alex karppalantir's big data the model driven in great part by a.i. what, if anything, will come out of the meeting aimed at creating guardrails for a.i. known just as much for deep fakings as it is for game-changing technology? to hillary vaughn on capitol hill. hillary, what can you tell us? >> reporter: liz, today's forum from a senator himself who told me rah really about listening, not so much about laws. but they did get a lot of face time with these major tech ceos at this forum that's still ongoing right now. they're e getting a chance to try to guide future regulation in a way that would not hurt their bottom line because the people in this room already worth billions stand to make billions more from artificial intelligence. elon musk saying the industry needs a referee to make sure companies are making decisions that are safe and in the best interest of the public and that pretty much every other ceo in the room is in favor of regulations. but the dark cloud over all this is how much

. >> there's a difference of opinion to some extent -- maya wiley -- to some extent in terms of the dangersk you find altman perhaps being more outspoken than some of the other members of that panel in terms of what they see is the potential danger. for example, musk is also going to be fairly outspoken on it. probably say not an insignificant chance it could wipe out phumanity. what that means is unclear. but it has to be discussed and there are guide rails that could be applied in the technology development that will lessen any chance when we get to general intelligence this thing starts to write code and why do we need you around? >> looks like the reporters were chased out. the other thing you can hope for when you say "guardrails" for instance is there a role for congress when it comes to regulating i.p. around a.i., is that something the ceos can talk about? you go back to the early days of the internet and section 230, those rules were crafted around ecommerce but ended up creating what some would say was a monster on social media and giving them an unconditional sort of cover for th

attorney and president of the leadership conference on civil and human rights, maya wiley's back withk, it's a fabulous piece, perfectly argued, but also sort of a note to all of us who talk about the coup, even when we think we're talking about it in its entirety this is one of the foundational pieces of it. >> absolutely. you know, i realized that as we read the indictments we get one picture of what happened. when we talk about the fact that there were 64 or 65 lawsuits that donald trump and his allies lost, we get sort of a different picture, but what's really at the centerpiece of this scheme was an effort to throw out the election results of four states. and that scheme used state resources. that's what made it different than the other -- the other lawsuits. this was a case using taxpayer resources, using the official seal, using official resources, official personnel to try to throw out the election results of four other states. and nicolle, this is really critical. this lawsuit was the first organizing effort for donald trump for what happened in the capitol on january 6th. wh

liz shuler, maya wiley of the civil rights conference.ommon denominator might occur. things would go to the bottom in terms of job loss, in terms of inequities and inequalities. even in terms of a system going rogue and really hurting humanity. so the need for some kinds of guardrails, serious guardrails, is something that everyone agreed to. now, it'll be our job on a bipartisan basis to come up with those. there's certainly a lot of good that can come out of a.i., curing cancer, curing world hunger, dealing with our national security. there's a lot of bad that could come out, too. our job, difficult as it will be, is to maximize the benefits but also minimize the very real harms. >> senator rounds, good morning. there has been a sense in recent years, as technology has moved so fast, when these social media executives come in there, they take their medicine from you all in congress and go on with their work, which is to say, they're so many steps ahead, no real legislation can slow down or contain what they do. you had elon musk in ther