but i have a theory there is a little mayella in her. i think the girl who once loved, the girl who doesn't have a steady i think a male is an outside outsider as much as boo. mel was a different cat for most people. she and truman were, someone who knew them well said truman was too soft for the boys and mel was too hard for the boys -- too soft for the girls. >> host: and arthur was a real character who lived down the street. the becomeackyard backs up to a school now. she descrubibedescribes is it in the it -- it in the book. >> guest: there is that person in the neighborhood who will not come out or says get off my lawn. it is only by expanding ourselves that we have to learn to live with them and not oppose them because they have every right to be there. like atticus says the to children leave that man alone. >> host: we discussed the sound of the furry and the iliad and it was the first gray teachers brother, i believe. she was mentally in capacitated. and she pulls boo from the guy down the street. >> guest: her english teacher in