cetera, the seven formerly incarcerated individuals, three are appointed by the mayor, four by the board of sups. the other appointee [speaker not understood] who is appointed by the mayor. ron aloe [speaker not understood] was appointed by the board of supervisors which is the chair we're filling. [speaker not understood] is one of the other board appointees. eddie [speaker not understood] -- >> he is mayoral, right? >> yes, mayoral appointee. stephen low is one of the board appointees here. as is kim courtney. so, it is stephen, jerrold and kim courtney are the three other appointees with leslie, eddy, and then one other gentleman appointed by the mayor. so, the kind of range of experiences, the range of ages, some gender diversity with two women, about 13% of the people involved in the criminal justice system are women. so, it's not so much disparity to have only two of the seven appointees be women, with jerald miller, african-american, and three asian american representatives. >> i'm sorry, you said one african-american, three asian, two women? >> yes, two women. >> and in terms of kind of comparison to the pop