budget item for the navy to think they can spend $1 billion in upgrading a nice to have facility in mayport same time when we're looking to try to build a fleet up to 313 ships. admiral mullen, you'll recall when you and i were commissioned in 1968, we had 930 ships in the united states navy. went down to 479 when i was secretary of the navy, went up to 568. but i want to set that aside, make sure you know we're going to continue that discussion. i want to set that aside, and my five minutes, talk about something else. that is, that i don't believe, quite frankly, that the d.o.d. budget should be sacrosanct when it comes to looking at the constraints and examinations that we ought to be putting on different programs. and secretary gates, i take your point about not wanting to go into force structure reductions, but at the same time i believe you can meet the challenges and adapt for the future and still clean up a lot of unnecessary programs that exist in the pentagon by taking a hard look at programs that don't produce a clear bottom line, and are not simply hardware systems or forestructu