look at maytag. look at what's -- >> i know wanted to maytag. i'm very aware of particular industries, and david, that's always the best argument against free trade. a point defense kind of thing. if you look in particular areas, a lot of midwestern cities have nothing less than a blockbuster and a diner left, if they have the diner, if they have the blockbuster. they're hollowed out cities. so when you look at trade that way, city by city, section by section, it's a hard fight. if you look at the whole country, and you look at the silicon valley or 128 massachusetts, areas of the country which have boomed through high-tech and other means, it looks pretty good. how's it balance out to you? >> well, look, first of all, i have great sympathy for congresswoman kaptur's position, representing her area, because there have been big economic changes, not just because of trade, but partly because of trade. and they have felt the brunt of it. i live in the midwest, chris, so i have seen what you're talking about. but what's at issue right now is this tr

also, we had maytag in iowa. as soon as nafta came, it was maytag and whirlpool.t went right to mexico. there went a whole bunch of good paying jobs. that's what happened to a lot of jobs in iowa. also, the good paying jobs went from high-paying down to about half. that is what happens when you send your jobs overseas. the jobs that we have don't pay nearly as well. the factory jobs, and all of our factory jobs are gone. a lot of them. it will happen this time. we will not be selling things over there. they will be selling things here or try to. we won't be able to buy them because we don't have the money. host: do you might if i ask you a question? caller: the only people that it helps are the people, the top 1%. they have way too much money anyway. host: mary, the white house says that this is a bill that will help ordinary americans, and the president says, he won't sign anything that won't help you and people in iowa. do you buy that? caller: i don't buy that, no. he has been turned by all the money, that's the thing. host: moving on now to washington dc. will

washing machines that used to be made in iowa maytag, are imported from monterey, mexico. huffy bicycles that used to be made in ohio are import interested asia. ohio knows well the cost of fast track trade agreements that ship out good jobs and made in the u.s.a. brands. since nafta, our trade balance with mexico and canada has gone from a $5 billion annual surplus, creating jobs here in 1993, to a deficit of $177 billion today. that translates into three quarters of a million more lost jobs, 750,000 more lost jobs with canada and mexico. the quality of life for americans has been declining under these agreements. middle class america is shrinking as businesses have closed production and moved overseas. three out of every five displaced u.s. manufacturing workers have been forced to take a pay cut in order to secure any kind of job. and one out of three workers experiences a pay cut of more than 20%. these are among the luckiest workers as frequently laid off workers over the age of 40 can't even find replacement work. this is not a problem for america, workers in other c