no surprise there, but then mazie hirono, senator hirono, going after him on whether or not he was seriousut that wire. i mean, that surprised me. how about you? >> well, the source surprised me, and with the strength that she came at it surprised me a bit. but i expected him to answer just like, as he did because, you know, lou, you and i have been following this for a long time, and there's just not a whole lot of trust that we can have in any of those folks, is there? because, i mean, he says, oh, i was just joking, or he basically denied today that he'd ever said anything like that. but there's all kinds of sources that contradict that. you've got people saying he's a liar, he's -- you know, people are saying that, andy mccabe being one of them, he's a confessed liar, a proven liar. so it's a total mess going on there. but it all points to one thing, this was an orchestrated, conspiratorial coup attempt by rod rosenstein, james comey, clapper, brennan, strzok, page and andy mccabe. they were the ringleaders pushing this thing around. lou: and they had a lot of help on capitol hill from