the last example is with mazza 86 which has been established since the '70s, linked and continues. and they feel they owe their presence in the city to the president. they would say life is good, we thank the president. at least for the older residents and that's not just cliches, it's the sense of gratitude which we can say. in more radical terms, that's linked to a gift, that's a gift of violence. this he were brought as instruments of coercion and they continue to be used. some of their young people are being drawn to suppress demonstrators from in central dmans cu damascus. to go back to the last point, one of the interviewers, the organizers, they said they live in misery like us. they defend the regime, which they have nothing in common. they have more in common with us, but they're made to fear for their life from their quote-unquote extremist sunni neighbors. thank you. >> thank you. and steve. >> my thanks, also, to mark and to gw for sponsoring this. i have to say if you were interested in having two of the really smartest and more insightful analyses to help understand t