. >> president hirsch: commissioner mazzucco? >> commissioner mazzucco: yes, thank you. and commissioners, this is a great report that we have from the d.p.a. it's a vast improvement than what we've had over the years just by virtue of the report that director henderson showed you. but i just want to caution the commissioners, we're focusing on 79 little blurbs in a report like this. we're losing 150 officers because they feel like they're not being supported by the department. all of these things in here cause me concern, but we also have to stop and think fourth amendment. we as prosecutors and public defenders, public defenders in the audience, we defend it every day in court. the fourth amendment changes every day. supreme court heard a case today about traffic stops -- u.s. supreme court. it changes every day. you have to stop for a second, and we can't expect these officers to go be legal scholars -- to be legal scholars. so we have to look at that and take it for what it's worth. it's a little blurb, fourth amendment. but the chief does have attorneys look at this

i think commissioner mazzucco's comment was very well taken. it has to be a morale buster to be half aware of what happens at these commission meetings. i would like to applaud commissioner mazzucco's recognition of the morale problems caused, and i'd like to applaud in the strongest terms the disciplinary attitude articulated by chief scott. thank you. >> president hirsch: thank you. any other public comments on the items we've addressed already on the agenda? okay. public comment is closed. next item, please. >> clerk: line item four, general public comment. the public is now welcome to address the commission on items that do not appear on tonight's agenda but that are within the subject matter jurisdiction of the commission. speakers shall address the remarks to the commission as a whole and not to an individual commissioner or d.p.a. personnel. neither d.p.a. personnel nor commissioners are required to respond to questions presented by the public but may present a brief response. d.p.a. and commissioners shall refrain from entering into deb

. >> president hirsch: commissioner mazzucco? >> commissioner mazzucco: thank you.hank you for filling us in on staffing. we've heard that san francisco police officers are lateraling or looking to transfer to other agencies. i've heard that from several different sources, so i'm worried about having enough officers go through the academy and making their way through, and wondering why officers want to leave. >> we have lost some officers, and we do conduct exit interviews with those officers because we want to know why. some of the answers we've heard lately are commutes. a lot of issues, the officers live far away. they get offers closer to home, and it's more desirable for them. some other officers leave for different reasons, including discipline. some officers leave for better pay. some officers leave because they're just dissatisfied, you know, with either the department or policing in the city, so it kind of runs the gamut, so we do a lot of work to try to determine why officers are leaving when they lateral out, and those areas that we can work on and fix, w

. >> commissioner mazzucco. >> thank you. i want to talk about an incident that took place involving our officers in the community that i was a part of. and it tells you how the community works with the officers, we can achieve things. we have a close ront on octavia street and very proud of what happened and there was a homeless person who has been there for quite a while. she is not making a mess or causing trouble or screaming, but the neighbors are worried about her. they've contacted 311 homeless outreach, they are feeding her providing her with blankets jackets. and this one whom marie who is a friend of my wife's was worried about this person. and she wasn't getting results with the usual channels. and she was worried about her. and marie is fighting her own battle and winning with some health issues. i drove by and saw the woman in the doorstep and she was shivering and i contacted the captain of the northern station and said can we do something about this? the neighbors are concerned. they want to help her. and a car

commissioner mazzucco. >> thank you very much. i've always been a big proponent and fan of the mediation process with the dpa. it's worked miracles. and i think all the reviews i've heard throughout the years is both parties do walk away with an understanding. it's great for our officers to learn about what people feel about their interactions. the example i always give is that people don't understand that police officer's first level use of force is their voice. and then they look at hands and all the different things to do. when they explain to the individual we do this because of officer safety. i think it's great. and i think for the public to understand that and the officers to understand how people feel. obviously more experienced officers are better at dealing with people because they've learned how to deal with people and how they impact them. so again great program great work really appreciate it. and thank you. this was a great presentation and 98 percent success rate is incredible. in fact i'm urging the d.b.a. and the

. >> commissioner mazzucco >> you may have missed a point there. i agree with you. the police officers one bad police officer makes it bad for every other officer in this department. and i've heard that mantra for years. but the officers are not feeling supported. because they do a lot every day that we don't know about and you as a public defender coming here and you raise these issues because your job is to be a public defender, you raise those before the judge where your client has a case pending. but the constantly are taking this negative nobody ever focusing on the positive. so in order for us to bring change, it's difficult to bring change when we are continually hammering on the negative. the negative is recognized. you would be surprised that we do as a commission. but the reality is there's a certain that seems not to want to let it go. you as a public defender represent people who have been accused and sometimes wrongfully. it happens on both sides of the aisle. >> commissioner elias. >> thank you. i wanted to thank you with bringing up the point with res