there was a dress code at mca. they wanted to -- jules stein started this before wasserman, but they -- they believed that it was important -- they wanted to sort of elevate the image of talent agents and make them seem more professional. and so -- and jules was, actually, an ophthalmologist by training, so he -- he wanted to sort of upgrade the image. and so it was a strict dress code. in the early days at mca, everybody had to wear a dark suit, white shirt, dark tie. in later years, it -- it eased up slightly. maybe you could wear, you know, a blue shirt. but that was the -- that was the dress code. and also, wasserman always dressed that way, and even if there hadn't been a dress code, his people were so kind of imbued with his stature as a leader that they tended to mimic him, even to the slightest thing. as somebody pointed out to me -- at mca pointed out to me years later, he pointed to his black loafers, and he said, you know, they didn't have to wear black loafers! but lew did, and the rest of them followed

under the old military commissions act of 2006 and under the new one that was just, the mca of 2009. contribution to the rack dirt, not the least of which is to document the chilling chapter of dehumanization. so my question is about dehumanization and humanity in particular our viewers the attorneys. can you talk a little bit about what impact this had on you and the other attorneys on your perception of humanity and its loss or gain and also how you coped with your own journey to the dark side. >> i think this is one for each of you to answer so were going to start with michael and work our way towards jonathan. >> i appreciate it, alan. actually, the way i coped with it was on this time, unlike in 1992 and three when i spent a lot of time and quite fundamental. this time i didn't go to guantÁnamo. and until we started talking to over the years and are voyeurs i didn't realize that i just had a visceral reaction to actually going back. and i don't think i could've actually gone back in terms of my own psyche. it was guantÁnamo, guatemala. it was certainly the last trip i had to gua

massachusetts does very well, but in overall mcas but there certainly is an achievement gap.t, i can assure you they had marginal improvement, and the savings can be implemented. and i would like to leave with my final and i refer to the axiom of ben franklin, a penny saved. my axiom that i view, a tribute to were over 250 years ago which has kept the enthusiastic about education, is energy and persistence, call for all things. terrific. thank you very much. i think that is a good lead into the theme that all four of you talked, which centers around politics. clearly they're all political challenges and pitfalls, trying to undertake any real deep financial reform. let me start with you. you talked about going from 45 priorities to three in three months. and then of course you said there wasn't a happy ending at the end for you. mike asked basically, i think you intimated, did you take the time, was there ever the really buy-in from going from 45 to three. what kind of political lessons do you draw from that? >> i think that's a question i'm asked a lot. so i present that mean