my producer at mca records, tony brown, who was in charge of a&r and really was my champion at mca, he stuck up for me and really helped my career. he would look at me sideways sometimes, and he'd say, you know, you may not cross over, but you might cross under. (laughing) - cross under. didn't happen, fortunately. - so i'm happier, no i'm happy to cross under. i feel like my career has been sort of just sort of below the radar, but it is, i'm just so grateful to the audience for continuing to come to the shows we do. we played last night at acl live out of a sold out house, even with the bad weather, we had an 85% attendance last night. - you coming to town is still a big deal. - well, it's so nice to, people support us, and we played the nicest, nicest thousand to 25 hundred seat theaters in the country and the world. - right, and i know that in part because you have gotten into a habit of taking photographs of these empty venues that you perform in. i mean, i'm one of the 35 thousand people who follow you on instagram, speaking of the new world of technology, right, imagine that. th