eight years ago, deep editorial failures over coverage ofjimmy savile and lord mcalpine led to the resignationys. chris patten, then chairman of the bbc, sent for tony hall, a former director of bbc news, who directed a creative turnaround at the royal opera house. i'm standing on the edge. after steadying the ship, hall's big challenge was to negotiate a new charter for the bbc. central to his deal was the bbc taking on a welfare payment for free tv licenses for the over 75s. hall considered this nuclear. did you threaten to resign over that? i thought about resigning, but at that moment i thought you have got to get in there and try to stop this or ameliorate what they're proposing to do. did you make it clear to them that this is a welfare payment and that's what governments do and not broadcasters? yes, we made all of those arguments. it was one of the most difficult and tense sets of negotiations or discussions i've ever had. the bbc has now said it will only pay for those on pension credit, a level the government decides on. at the end of that negotiation, which you led for the bbc, the