eugene mcateer at first, and i didn't want anyone to know i was smart. you know, i would try to keep myself under the radar because, as a black culture, we don't appreciate that intelligence. and there's a lot of smart kids that doesn't want anyone to know that they have intelligence like that, and it's sad. >> yeah, it is sad. you know, in law enforcement, it strikes me that what i've observed over the years is when i was young, a high school education could get you into a police department. you can't get into a california police department anymore with that. >> no, i think you're right. the high school diploma of yesterday, now you've got to acquire a bachelor's degree. and just to show you value of education for many researchers and builders, you can determine how many prisons you're likely to need in the future by how many people are ready at the level of third grade. >> wow. >> and so it's a predictor of not criminality, but people's exposure to the criminal justice system. we know when kids go to school, likelihood of incarceration grows exponentia