mccabe thank you for being with us. we look forward to continuing engagement with you as we move forward. we'll keep the record open for ten days for any additional questions or comments or materials. and with that, the hearing is now adjourned. >>> finishing up our coverage of this hearing on the epa's proposed clean air standards. if you missed any of this discussion you can access it online at c-span.org. >>> we have more live programming coming up. be with us later for a look at the u.s. supreme court. its future and discussion of possible changes to the bench hosted by the american constitution society. you'll be able to see that live at 4:00 p.m. on c-span2. looking at the u.s. capitol this afternoon. very hot in the nation's capital. very typical summer weather. the u.s. house is in session. they are working on a bill granting president obama trade authority. a pacific rim trade bill in particular. we're expecting inging final vote shortly. the vote coming up shortly on c-span. >>> some news today that a politica

mccabe for joining us.f you know something and you know the cost is of something that has a price and you know that price but if you don't know something than the price is higher because you have brisk, right? yes, okay. in 2010 the epa when they proposed going to 60 parts per billion said that would cost 90 billion dollars cost the economy $90 billion. in 2014 you reduced it to $40 billion. what happened over that four-year. mac the costs go down? >> i think what you're preparing is the proposal put out under the ozone reconsideration. >> just tell me what many made you go down. >> in that first one we were looking at a change of the standard from the previous standard of 85 parts per billion to that level. >> this is not a 75260? >> that's right that was a reconsideration of the prior standard. >> okay thank you and in your proposal to go either 70 or 65 a significant amount of the control technology does not exist today and that's where there was question comes than so do you know what it cost to offset

mccabe thank you for being here. i have a series of questions that will follow-up because it feels to me when you hear from the epa about corn production volumes and the deg of agriculture are quite different. there's a lot of discussion in your review. as the epa considered the proposed rule for the rvo standards, did you use any studies or metrics to model how it would affect the prices? >> the way that the rule or the program affects transportation prices is very, very complicated complicated. and we did not attempt to estimate the impacts on transportation fuel prices. >> okay. so no studies or models on transportation fuel prices that yaw eve used? >> we certainly look at all of those but we ourselves did not try to estimate what the impacts would be. >> would it be possible for us to get a list of the studies and the models that you consulted? >> sure. >> we'll follow up. thank you. in your proposed rule did you conduct any studies to model how the proposed rule would affect international trade? >> we did not d

mccabe i appreciate you being here. let me walk through history we walked through together. 2010 final rule for the rfs was four months late, in 2011 good near it was only two weeks late 2012, one and a half months late 2013 nine months late, 2014 it was 18 months later and counting and 2015 six months late and counting. the challenge is once we get into '16 '17, and '18 how does this get better and how does rfs get on schedule to be ready by november or has congress put a requirement on epa they cannot fu fulfill? >> senator, i think that is a very fair question. epa does not like missing deadlines either. i think that a couple things happened as we talked about last time when i visited with you that made 2014 particularly challenging and led to the significant delays. and i am an optimistic person. my aub sejob is to implement this program and meet our statutory obligation in terms of time frame. i know confidant we will do that. through this rulemaking this year we will get ourselves back on track. we have -- 2014 wa

mccabe, i appreciate you being here. let me walk through history we walked through together. 2010, final rule for the rfs was four months late. in 2011, it was a good year. it was only two weeks later. 2012, one and a half months late. 2013, nine months late. 2014, 18 months late and counting and 2015 six months late and counting. the challenge is once we get into '1 6/, '17, and '18, how does this get better and how does rfs get on schedule to be ready by november or has congress put a requirement on epa that they cannot fulfill? is there something in the structure that year after year they cannot meet this requirement? >> senator, i think that is a very fair question. epa does not like missing deadlines either. i think that a couple things happened as we talked about last time when i visited with you that made 2014 particularly challenging and led to these significant delays. and i am an optimistic person. my job is to implement this program and meet our statutory obligations in terms of time frame. so i'm confident th

mccabe for your testimony. maybe it's a bias because i event a public health commission and longtime. but when it comes to air quality i believe our focus must be primarily on protecting public health. this is the standard set by congress in the clean air act. its extent is been upheld by the supreme court, and for good reason. clean air has very real and specific impact on health and well being of all americans. this is underscored by our ranking member bobby rush from chicago where they no thing or two about air pollution, too. healthier children, parents and deployed translate into very real economic benefits. i would say to my colleague mr. shimkus comp committee case in the other direction, that good jobs with health benefits which he is arguing for or even better in the context of clean air. and even polluters a benefit from healthier employees taking fewer sick days. so my question is just asking you to elaborate on this back. what is the economic value? >> it's absolutely true and i think many agree tha

mccabe, which i'm sure you're excited to get those questions. we look forward to having that discussion with you. >>> i'd like to bring the hearing to order. this morning's hearing is going to be focused on epa's proposed ozone rule. i'd like to recognize myself for five minutes for an opening statement. the proposed rule would lower the standard from the current 75 parts per billion down to 65 or 70 but the agency is also taking comments on 60 parts per billion. these proposed levels are so low that in some parts of the country, they are at or near background levels. the proposed levels are so low that even epa admits that it is not fully known in some areas how to achieve full compliance. in other words, they'd have to use unknown controls to do it, to meet those standards. the marginal cost of ratcheting down the existing standard go through the roof, and epa estimates that a 65 to 70 parts per billion standard would cost $3.9 billion to $15 billion annually and that a 60 parts would cost $39 billion annually. independent estimates are much h

mccabe for her leadership in making that happen. unfortunately the proposal continues to ignore congressional content and reduces congressionally mandated blended volumes citing availability of distribution capacity. the statute only allows for an inadequate supply waiver for domestic biofuels supply and not a distribution capacity waiver. in fact, in 2005, the house included a waiver provision for distribution capacity, but the final bill passed by the house and senate did not. so i hope when the epa puts out its final rule this november they will toss out this flawed and disallowed reasoning and return to the management of the program to the way congress actually intended. if they do that the program will work just fine as it did in the first years of the rfs. i think certainty needs to be our top concern when it comes to federal regulation legislation or anything else that we do here in washington. and certainly on this committee, we spend a lot of time talking about predictability and certainty as essential components to a prope

mccabe and talking more about what the future holds. i look forward to hearing the outcome of the hearing that you were going to have in kansas city. i know it will be very robust. i know you are probably getting tons of comments already and hopefully a real look at some of the issues that we think are possible that will in fact be more consistent, adjusting the rule and i would particularly ask you to look at that in the bio diesel area. >> yes and just on the final comment is the senator on his way back? just kind of in some of my conclusions i think we need to get these volumes set but we need to take close look at what we are doing and how we want to encourage the market to develop and begin that vicious cycle in place. right now commodity prices are extremely low so when you see 3-dollar corn now is a good time to be developing that area and working with ethanol or cellulosic. so i would encourage a good hard look at that and again look forward to working with you. again if you would please emphasize to the epa administrator gina m

. >> reporter: those words came from mike mccabe volunteer for joe biden's first campaign who knew beaus a boy. >> one of the finest young men i've ever met. report roar friday there weren't many words worthy enough to describe what was lost. but for what was gained in the 46 years of beau biden's live words were in abundance. >> we'll never forget all did he for us. goodman. report roar those words from lynn williams. when his brother ron a delaware state police detective was killed while working undercover beau made sure his family got help and personally visited them them. >> he will forever remember the things he did for her. >> reporter: these words from loretta taylor describe the beau biden that mentored her daughter as an assistant. >> i don't think anybody can say anything bad about him. >> this pastaturday vice-president joe biden announce his son died from a long battle with brain cancer friday hundreds came from across the country to stand in line for upwards of six hours at a visitation at saint anthony's church to mourn the former delaware state attorney general. inside yo

i'll turn the microphones over now to assistant director mccabe. >> good morning.d i'm the assistant director in charge of the fbi's washington field office. one of the fbi's top priorities recently has been focusing on investigating u.s. persons who are actively traveling or preparing others to travel overseas to fight with isil. isil and their followers around the world are using the popularity of social media to recruit and facilitate direct contact with those who would support their terrorist organization. today, ali ameen entered a guilty plea as an adult for actively supporting the designated terrorist organization isil. this is the latest in a series of arrests by the fbi and the joint terrorism task forces around the country. of individuals supporting isil. through an increasing online presence, isil propaganda has become exponentially more accessible to a larger demographic of people. the fbi received information that ameen was communicating online with known and unknown individuals and believed to be members of isil and that ameen was supporting violent j

i would like to thank miss mccabe for her testimony oral and written and the brief recess. the hearing record will remain open for 15 days until july 6th at 5 p.m. for the submission of statements and other questions for the record. this hearing is adjourned. >> thank you. >>> new jersey governor chris christie announced he is running for the republican presidential nomination. you can see his comments at 8:00 eastern today. and here on c-span3 we're taking the opportunity while congress is on break to show you some of the american history tv programs that are normally seen only on the weekends. at 8:00 eastern we'll show you a symposium on william f. buckley's could be servetive. and james baldwin's significance in american political thought at 9:25. 10:45 p.m. eastern princeton university professor on race in america. >> the spaven span cities tour is partnering with our cable providers as we travel across the united states. we learn the life of omaha, nebraska where the de porres club was fighting for equality. >> they had a reputation in omaha and in the united states a

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opportunity to review the management of the program and i anticipate and i am thankful that janet mccabe career joyous and i am lucky for to revisit this issue is now recognized the senior member. >> first i wish river not having this hearing today at which there is no question over the management of the epa ability to implement of a program as intended that we're in the place where the epa has created uncertainty to the biofuels producer from cellulosic ethanol producers and this lack of predictability is costing us investment environmentally and jobs. i am a strong supporter of all of the above energies upon - - policy along with senator paul lankford we are the leading producer i don't know where oklahoma is but number two in the production of oil and orange we have a lot of wind resources then certainly a lot of by a resource so this is a huge issue to my state and i do think all of the above policy is part of that. when we look at what it means to my state alone through a - - represents annual economic output in oklahoma the rff help to create 4300 jobs in wisconsin, 4.2 million abo

years fbi assistant director andrew mccabe on something like this could happen. >> this is a young man that formerly had promised, and intelligent young man, he is articulate but seduced by this propaganda drawn in to this radical extremist ideology and showing you how seductive the propaganda is, how directly these terrorist organizations reach into our homes and speak directly to our youth. >> they are recruiting them quicker than we can kill limb. one small detail, this is happening in mozilla, where do you think the lily pads are going to be? >> i feel bad for those advisers that are going over air because they should be protected and are going to be in harm's way. the thing i don't understand, my son is 15 years old, maybe it is because we fear in america are so sanitized to what is going on over it there, they're recruiting faster than we can kill them, we need to kill some faster. >> academics, likely reasons behind this trend, being seduced in what appears to be somewhat easy way and numbers that they're recruiting them includes a lack of maturity and the feeling of being disco

. >> assistant director in charge of the washington field office andy mccabe joins us. good evening sir. >> good evening. >> it's stunning he is 17. >> it is. >> is this the tip of the iceberg? i mean, that we are going to see more of this? >> greta i think this is the very beginning of the wave that we have all seen coming. it's now arriving on our shores. >> what was he doing? >> >> account 4,000 followers during the course of our investigation he communicated with those followers through more than 7,000 messages. and in those messages he was encouraging others to follow isis. he was encouraging others to travel to isis. and he actually facilitated the travel of one of his colleagues to syria for the purpose of fighting with isil. >> which is probably the most dangerous thing. not some dumb young kid doing something stupid. he actively took the added step to helping someone get there to achieve the goal. >> that's right. as you know, greta that's required for prosecution. we don't investigate anyone for their use of first amendment protected rights. it's actions that

have senator graham as well who will be running for president is antagonistic to senator paul but mccabes well as senators upper berth with into senator paul i think he said rand paul has fabricated in his own mind what this program is referring to the bulk metadata so there has been some strong words thrown around in senator rand paul is not very popular with his colleagues. >> host: viet playing of the store with his own campaign to use this fund raising to will. >> sure. uc it brings up traffic on the front page of the weekend then he tweet me out the message that he gave on the floor yesterday was one of the best he has seen in the campaign so there are members and also libertarians' circles that would definitely agree that his message on his side the privacy advocates as well he is the only one that really feels this way and to that point it is a fund-raising tactic he disagrees he said of the people question mark isis area have been fighting the battle since i have came here and there will always be cynics. >> talking with alex rogers from national journal and may be a short-lived

mccabe. many of us believe it's the clean air act is to be changed. i say that because just as mr.rush mentioned in you mentioned, the epa looks at the impact of healthcare by making it more stringent's. you eliminate premature deaths which is important. you don't have responsibility look at those pockets of the country that are in noncompliance and the impact that the stringent controls several jobs. that economist after economist, and talk about loss of jobs and the impact that has on healthcare for children, infants. and yet epa is all about the benefits. it's binary is noncompliant they can build a new client. they can build infrastructure projects command it has an effect on jobs. fortunately areas like los angeles they rely on the entertainment industry so they don't have to worry about manufacturing jobs. how do you account for the fact that los angeles is still noncompliant and your own rule states that some of these areas the only way they will ever be in compliance is they have to use unknown controls' to my controls that we don't know what it is. it's whether a 70 or 65

patrick mccabe. patrick was from bismarck, and he was born july 20 1924. he served in t the army as a master sergeant. patrick died may 6, 1968 it is a the age of 43. he came from a family dedicateed to serving our country. four of the six boys in his family served in the military and all three of patrick's sons followed in his footsteps and joined the military. two of his sons served in vietnam after patrick's death. mark as a medic in the marines and scott as an air force pilot. patrick's third son david serves in the air force and -- served in the air force for over 20 years. patrick's daughter kathy said her did dad was a good man who helped anyone who needed it and her dad loved his country and felt like the army was his family. patrick served in world war ii and two tours of duty in vietnam. he volunteered to return to vietnam and died during his second tour of duty. we tell these stories because we can't ever forget that every life matters and i am always struck by the imagining what these young men who they would have been had they been allowed to

we're expected to hear from janet mccabe. oklahoma senator james lankford is chair of the hearing. looks like it could be a couple of minutes before it underway. we will have live coverage when it starts here on c-span3.