director andrew mccabe.t was it specifically that caused you to watch the counterintelligence investigation? >> if the president committed obstruction of justice, fired the director of the f.b.i. to negatively impact or to shut down our investigation of russia's maligned activity, possibly in support of his campaign, as a counterintelligence investigator, you have to ask yourself, why would a president of the united states do that. >> the islamic terrorist group boko haram attacked a local school and ran off with 276 girls. some escaped, but it took the nigerian government three years to negotiate the release of the others. maybe you'll become a writer. we were able to meet with them at a kind of prep school. >> the best revenge is massive success, and i really think these young women are going to be some senators, some governors. some of these young women want to join the military. they want to be a general in the military and go get boko haram so they can't do this to any other young girls. >> i'm steve kr

and he points out in a statement in a shot at mccabe that mccabe did not tell the truth, according to the inspector general. we also have devin nunes, the ranking member of the house intelligence committee explaining his take on the rosenstein situation. i think we have some sound. let's take a listen to that. >> look. we've tried to bring rod rosenstein before congress so that he can be under oath to answer these questions so we only know what's been leaked to the press. so you have a he said/she said in this case. but look, any talk of the 25th amendment is outrageous. >> so mccabe, you know is a controversial person within the fbi and outside of the fbi. but he is saying some fascinating things today that we're all going to pay attention to, hallie. >> that is for sure, ken. ken dilanian, thank you. >>> let me bring in somebody who worked with andrew mccabe. greg broaugher. you know this man. what do you make of what he's been doing talking about this so publicly today. >> good morning, hallie. as ken indicated, this is fascinating and complicated. i did work closely with andy mcca

mccabe. earlier on this network he talked with our colleague nicolle wallace, who is among those standing by to join us, and for the first time he president trump purportedly drafted himself as an attempt to justify the firing of former fbi director james comey may of 2017. >> something that i haven't discussed before and i'm very careful, i have to be careful in the way that i talk about this. but i have seen the letter that the president wrote purportedly himself justifying the firing of jim comey. >> what does it say? >> in a rambling four-plus pages it goes through all the different reasons why he is firing the director of the fbi. now, i'm not going to go through all those with you but i will tell you that one of them is he claims he wanted to fire the director of the fbi because of his failure to fire me. that was a letter written long before the i.g. had concluded their investigation and drawn their i believe false conclusions in that report. >> that letter was eventually not used to p

mccabe references. and as the deputy has previously said, based on his personal dealings with the president, there was no basis to invoke the 25th amendment nor was the d.a.g., deputy attorney general, in the position to consider invoking the 25th amendment. let me show you what mccabe says. according to the excerpts that were in the atlantic, mccabe says that he and rosenstein talked together about whether a special counsel should be appointed. here's what the justice department's statement says about that. the deputy attorney general never spoke to mr. comey about appointing a special counsel. the deputy attorney general, in fact, appointed special counsel mueller and directed that mr. mccabe be removed from any participation in that the russia investigation. now, that last thing, we believe this is the first time that that's ever been said. there's always been a question whether when mueller took over the investigation, whether that effectively took mccabe out of the role of supervising the investiga

lies to his face, the president saying to mccabe, people really like this and mccabe describes in that "60 minutes" interview, you know, that's not the sense that we have at the bureau. mccabe also testifies before congress that morale was with not as donald trump described it under comey, it was actually very high. so just talk about the impact on sort of the credibility of a witness's contemporaneous notes and what it means that all of these men -- and i don't know if there are some women who are also witnesses in the mueller probe, but if their recollections were recorded right after these interactions, how does mueller wave that against other feeds of information? >> i think a prosecutor and investigator gives credit to somebody who writes down contemporaneously his or her recollections of a conversation. and this was really fundamentally, nicolle, a tremendous act of professional bravery by andy mccabe to open these investigations of the president of the united states, the most power. person in our government, and for him to do that, knowing full well it probably would cost him hi

but the things we don't have to just take mccabe's word for it. mccabe's account of the president's behavior and the alarm bells it set off looks a lot like the one james comey gave in sworn testimony and a lot like the account of the senior official who wrote an anonymous op-ed basically warning the country that man the person worked for was unfit for the office and looks a lot like reports we read every day. two years since the events mccabe describe, the president is still in office and if anything he has only gotten more volatile. i am joined by ted lu of california, member of the house judiciary committee. >> what is your reaction to what the remarkable account mccabe gives of the way in which the president's firing of comey triggered this kind of crisis at the department of justice? >> andrew mccabe gave a number of disturbing statements about the behavior of donald trump. to me one of the most alarming was that donald trump believed putin over our intelligence officials. no president of the united states should ever believe a former kgb ope

jim jordan says mccabe is not to be believed. >> you can't trust anything mccabe says. oath. he was fired because he lied. what did he lie about? he lied about the leaks he did to certain news newspapers to make himself look better during the clinton investigation. lou: thanks for being with us. good night from new york. see you cheryl: it is wednesday, february 2 of 0t 20th. optimism growing that the u.s. and china can get a trade deal done as talks enter day two in washington and the president backs off the march 1st deadline. chinese state media reporting any new u.s. tariffs on chinese goods would be catastrophic for global stocks. bernie's back on the ballot. what his running means for the economy and your wallet. and, more than 200 million americans feeling the impact of a p monster winter storm today, 1 you

mccabe references. exactly. that's exactly what andrew mccabe said. there's no conflict there.od rosenstein authorized the wearing of the wire. he says that rod rosenstein just talked about it and talked about it more than once. so there you have rod rosenstein in effect with that statement confirming that he talked about it because he doesn't deny that he talked about it. in the statement that the justice department issued. in interviews andrew mccabe has also revealed that deputy attorney general rod rosenstein more than once conducted serious discussions about the possibility of using the constitutional procedure of the 25th amendment to remove the president from office. the justice department statement says the deputy attorney general previously has stated there is no basis to invoke the 25th amendment, nor was the deputy attorney general in a position to consider invoking the 25th amendment. exactly. there's no conflict there because andrew mccabe did not say that rod rosenstein was in a position to invoke the 25th amendment because everyone knows the deputy attorney gener

was "fired for lying" and calling mccabe's tell-all"deranged."ccabe was fired from the fbi last march....one day before he was scheduled to retire. his ouster came after the inspector general concluded mccabe misled investigators about his role authorizing the release of information to the wall street journal.now, mccabe reveals, he believes he was actually forced out for his role investigating trump. andrew mccabe/ former fbi director"he made it quite clear that he wanted me gone before i could retire. i believe i was fired because i opened a case against the president of the united states."the president is now echoing conservative commentators.(nats) "this was a coupe attempt, there's no doubt about it."calling mccabe's discussions with deputy attorney general rod rosenstein about possibly using the 25th amendment to remove trump from office -- "an illegal coup attempt" - with senator lindsey graham - chairman of the judiciary committee - promising an all-out investigation.andrew mccabe/ former fbi director "we're a democracy. people enforce th

and mccabe was fired.dy is going to say, at least in the trump camp, that this guy is tainted and can't be believed. i see lindsey graham is already calling for a congressional investigation of this interview with "60 minutes" tonight. we haven't heard the last of this. i think he has credibility problems, mccabe. >> laura, does any of this stick to trump tonight? what would you say is the biggest bombshell, so to speak? >> the biggest and probably most stunning bombshell, again i come back to -- you almost become numb to it in certain ways because we've all been reporting on it and talking about it for two years now but the fact that the man who ran the fbi is going on the record, explaining the reasons in detail why they believe they had needed to open investigations on the president of the united states, because they believe he was compromised by a foreign government is just remarkable. i don't think there's any way to get around that, even though we talk about it every day, it's still stunning. whether

mccabe references. as previously stated, based on his personal dealings with the president, there's no basis to invoke the 25th amendment nor was the d.a.g. in a position to consider invoking the 25th amendment. all this prompting trump to retweet one fox commentator who called mccabe's account an illegal coup attempt on the president of the united states. trump adding, "true." mccabe says trump's public comments after firing comey were cause for investigating obstruction of justice. as well as trump's private pressure on deputy attorney general rod rosenstein to include the word, russia, in a memo justifying comey's firing. >> that concerned rod in the same way that it concerned me and the fbi investigators on the russia case. >> reporter: all this as activists converge on the white house to protest trump's national emergency declaration, to build a wall along the southern border. one senior white house adviser not ruling out that the president might use his first veto of his presidency to override con

andrew mccabe is opening up about the chaotic days between may 9th, 2017 when trump fired mccabe's boss, james comey and may 17th when special counsel robert mueller was appointed. mccabe's forthcoming book is called "the threat," that details his decision to launch the inquiry after the day of the firing. mccabe describes his first encounter with trump on the day he took over at the bureau. after comey's departure, quote, the president said, people are really happy about the fact that the director's gone, and it's just remarkable what people are saying. have you seen that?" in that interview mccabe recounted his concerns about trump and the need to protect the larger investigation. >> i was speaking to the man who had just run for the presidency and won the election for the presidency and who might have done so with the aid of the government of russia, our most formidable adversary. that was something that troubled me greatly. i was concerned that i was able to put the russia case on absolutely solid ground in an indelible fashion that were i removed quickly or reassigned or fired that

mccabe references. in your book you make it very clear that rod rosenstein simply discussed the possibility of him volunteering to wear a wire into the oval office to record the president, and he's raised that more than once. the book makes it very clear it was never authorized and it never happened. so that sentence has no meaning in the justice department statement. and then it says, on the issue of the 25th amendment, that you described serious discussions that rod rosenstein participated in, that you participated in, about the possible use of the 25th amendment to remove the president of the united states. it's never happened before. it would make perfect sense that the justice department would have to talk about it, to think it through of how it would even be applied. the statement here from rod rosenstein says that there is no basis to invoke the 25th amendment nor was rod rosenstein in a position to consider invoking the 25th amendment. we know he wasn't. he wasn't a member of the cabinet. you ha

jim jordan says mccabe is not to be believed. >> you can't trust anything mccabe says.? he lied about the leaks he did to certain news newspapers to make himself look better during the clinton investigation. lou: thanks for being with us. good night from new york. see youorororororororororororor. trish: venezuela's socialist dictator clinging to power as the world closes in on him. i want you to see this brand-new video of the military preventing access to the humanitarian aid on the colombian border. in just moments, juan guaido is here exclusively. he's three days away from the day he says that aid is going to enter his country or else. the democrats are ignoring the crisis in

mccabe also told "60 minutes" about his conversations with deputy a.g. rod rosenstein and the possibility of secretly recording the president. >> we talked about why the president had insisted on firing the director and whether or not he was thinking about the russia investigation and did that impact his decision. and in the context of that conversation, the deputy attorney general offered to wear a wire into the white house. he was not joking. he was absolutely serious. and in fact, he brought it up in the next meeting we had. i never actually considered taking him up on the offer. i did discuss it with my general counsel. i think the general counsel had a heart attack. when he got up off the floor, he said that's a bridge too far. we're not there yet. >> the justice department notably has called mccabe's account here, quote, inaccurate and factually incorrect, adding that the deputy a.g. never authorized any recording. well, today mccabe was asked about that distinction. >> while the deputy attorney general says he never authorized anyone to wear a wir

, andrew mccabe says the president dismissed u.s. intelligence on national security recalling an instance in which he says president trump insisted north korea did not have the capability to hit the u.s. with ballistic missiles because russian president vladimir putin told him so. >> intelligence officials in the briefing responded that that was not consistent with any of the intelligence our government possesses. the president replied, i don't care, i believe putin. >> in another instance, it was suggested to wear a wire. mccabe says the justice department's denial is off base. and that rosenstein was not being sarcastic. >> he said i never get searched when i go into the white house. i could easily wear a recording device. he was not joking. he was absolutely serious, and in fact, he brought it up in the next meeting we had. >> my colleague geoff bennett is at the white house. geoff, we know the president is paying attention to this because we pay attention to his twitter feed. and he's been on a bit of a rant about andrew mccabe t

in reference to andrew mccabe. >> andrew mccabe is a proven liar.f.b.i. and referred to the office of professional responsibility that recommended his dismissal and referred criminal charges. there is a grand jury investigating whether to prosecute him. i take what he says with a grain of salt. he was fired from the f.b.i. because if he lied to his own colleagues why should we trust he tells the truth to "60 minutes"? >> heather: what part is not truthful? >> he said the president's cabinet was planning to invoke the 25th amendment. i think that's a little fanciful but again, if lindsey graham wants to have hearings why would you give him a platform to sell books with a national television audience? if you want to do that question him privately. don't give him a hearing. >> heather: he didn't think rosenstein was kidding. >> i don't know. i wasn't in the room. i don't know who is telling the truth but i know andrew mccabe is a liar. >> heather: what is next? what the president's next move should be after his rose garden declaration. mercedes schlapp

. >>> so former fbi director andrew mccabe piles on. listen to this. >> do you still believe the president could be a russian asset? >> i think it's possible. i think that's why we started our investigation and i'm anxious to see where director mueller concludes that. >> bombshell. mccabe raising serious concerns about how the russia investigation got start ed and so serious questions today about whether the president tried to obstruct justice. >> the "new york times" is reporting president trump asked acting attorney general matthew whitaker if a u.s. attorney who supported trump in the past could take over the federal investigation into the president's former attorney and fixer michael cohen. the "times" says whitaker said no and that the attorney the president wanted had already recused himself. it would fit into a broader pattern of activity by this president, and that is seeking to place loyalists in positions of influence over the probe and remove overs he did not see as allies. the story unfolding, details coming out this morning

andrew mccabe putting his book out there. confirming a lot of what your reporting had seen over the past months going on behind the scenes. >> confirming it for the first time on the record. the interview is stunningly candid. one of the most eyebrow raising parts hasn't aired yet. confirming mccabe will say that there were discussions about potentially recruiting cabinet members to invoke the 25th amendment to try to oust president trump from office and that rod rosenstein had discussed wearing a require to potentially record conversations with the president. the justice department is pushing back hard on these characterizations calling them inaccurate i want to read to you a new statement this morning. they say the deputy attorney general again rejects the events as inaccurate. the deputy attorney general never authorized any recording that mccabe references. based on personal dealings there was no basis to nor was the d.a.g. in a position to consider invoking the 25th amendment. a war of words between mccabe and the deputy

mccabe references." andrew mccabe also writes about his discussions about rosenstein about protecting the russia investigation at large. in a conversation on may 12th of 2017, mccabe says he told him "i feel strongly that the investigation will be best served by having a special counsel." robert mueller was appointed five days later on may 17th and the world changed for donald trump and many others. people do not appreciate how far we have fallen from normal standard of presidential accountability. everyday brings a new low with the president exposing himself as a deliberate liar who'll say whatever he pleases to get whatever he wants. if he were on the box at quantico, the fbi polygraph, he would break the machine. trump attacked mccabe for months and raising questions of federal law enforcement, mccabe was fired last year on the eve of his retirement for not being forthcoming with officials about his disclosure with the media. trump responded to mccabe's revelation with this quote. "he was a big part o

mccabe to continue to talk about ongoing investigations?s tze said the better. if you'll notice, bob mueller hasmirably -- >> tight lipped? >> he's kept his own counsel. they have not leaked. that's probably the better path to follow. hopefully he won't disclose to us what they've learned and let the pieces fall where they may. but i have to go back to what i said earlier. it's incredibly important we know what they've learned and that we'll see where the truth takes us. >> i think many people in america would agree with you. last question, i want to take you back to your recent trip to central america because now you have these 16 states challenging trump's authority for declaring this national emergency to build this wall and murp meeting with presidents of guatemala and honduras and el salvador. what did you see? >> we put in place something called alliance for prosperity. a central american of plan clom yar -- colombia developed by joe biden. it was very successful and it worked in colombia, we've tried to create a central american vers

andrew mccabe. and andrew weissmann. yeah. the pit bull of robert mueller warning them that the source was tainted. christopher steele hated donald trump. and he was being paid by the clinton campaign. she paid for it all. nevertheless, in the summer of 2016, the fbi used the information on the dossier in an application for a fisa warrant to spy on an associate of the trump pain never ever tell the fisa court in their application hillary paid for it and never telling the fisa court that it's unverified and never corroborated. in fact, this does way reporting they pushed around, based on one source. it was the bulk of the evidence used in all four fisa warrants and the three subsequent renewals. now, the fisa court judges, well, they were never warned of the evidence. they withheld important information that hillary paid for it, the dnc paid for it. it never was verified. none of that. james comey, rod rosenstein, andrew mccabe, sally yates, all of them signing off on the fisa application. well that would be called committing a

andrew mccabe making it clear.... that in the days surrounding james comey's firing as fbi director.... mccabe and others within the justice department explored the possibility the president was working as a russian agent. savannah: "did you suspect the president might actually be working for russia?"andrew mccabe: "we thought that might be possible. we had led us to believe that there might be a threat to national security, in this case that the president himself might, in fact, be a threat to the united states national security."that fear....prompte d mccabe to launch a counterintelligence investigation into president trump.... in may 2017.e mey's f "sealed the deal" for a decision to launch a probe, the case had been building "some time," telling the atlantic, "the fact is, we were building to this point for months before jim was fired."mccabe now says he briefed the top members of congress - the so-called gang of 8 - on the same day robert mueller was appointed as special counsel.... to alert the top democrats and

mccabe? >> well, in addition to all of this about, you know, the whole thing about wearing a wire, the 25th amendment, all of that, i think, for me, one question that's never been answered satisfactory from either mccabe's book or james comey's book or all the interviews that james comey has been is this, how is it that the hillary clinton e-mails that were found on huma abedin's computer in late september, they were discovered in late september. how is it the director of the fbi didn't seem to know that until late october? how did nearly a month go by before he knew that? mccabe has said that he told comey this, and that comey didn't register because he didn't realize that huma abedin was married to anthony weiner. this is anthony weiner's computer. that's one question that's never been satisfactory answered. >> pete williams, thank you. >> you bet. >>> let's bring in former federal prosecutor, msnbc legal analyst. natasha bertrand, msnbc contributor. natasha also just interviewed andrew mcc

mccabe does have problems. he was caught being untruthful with the inspector general of department of justice. in trying to resolve that credibility you have to look at the tendencies of the parties. one thing is that he has never been able to keep his hand off of d.o.j. and fbi. he has gotten himself into a lot of trouble, as well. >> i think there is much more to come. thanks. great to see you. thank you so much. great to see you, as well. >>> coming up for us, a stunning new twist in the alleged attack against jussie smollett. was it a hate crime or was it a hoax? we have much more on that ahead. >>> some of the top 2020 democrats are spending their president's day in new hampshire. a shocking choice or not at all. which candidate has the early edge in this key primary state? we will go live to manchester. i have a big meeting today. and 2 boxes of twizzlers... yeah, uh...for the team. the team? gooo team... order online pickup in an hour. now get 25% off printing and fedex shipping. at office depot officema

you saw his interview with mccabe. let me play you what mccabe says about rosenstein and wearing a wire. listen to this. if. >> he said, i never get searched when i go into the white house. i could easily wear a recording device. they wouldn't know it was there. he was not joking. he was absolutely serious. in fact he brought it up in the next meeting we had. i never actually considered taking him up on the offer. >> he says rosenstein brought it up not once but twice. rosenstein through the justice department deny it by saying the deputy attorney general never authorized any recording that mr. mccabe references. >> can they both be right? >> i think it's pretty unlikely. i don't want try to psychoanalyze mccabe, but i don't think we should gloss over the differences between what rod or the doj said and what mccabe said. that enmoose you to assess credibility. this is a situation where rod rosenstein says it didn't happen. at best maybe there was sarcasm. i don't think mccabe is so sluggish to the idea of sarcasm that

mccabe says he was serious. we went to fbi lawyers to talk about this and see if it was a viable option. the important thing is robert mueller's investigation is coming to a close at some point in the next few weeks. perhaps we are going to get an answer as to whether or not what mccabe has been saying, what jim comey said in his book and in his interviews, whether there are concerns about the president were born out by this investigation, whether they were right that the president was acting on behalf of the russians or certainly his campaign was. >> presumably, kerry, we may not know the evidence to support the question. why would they be looking into that, the 25th amendment? >> the 25th amendment covers whether or not a president can be removed if they are unable to carry out the duties of the presidency. so, really, it's unlikely that really would have been a good fit. that's why we hear rod rosenstein say there's nothing about it that says he was incapacitated or unable to carry out the duties of the offic

bottom line is andrew mccabe is a known liar. that's not stopping cbs news from giving him a huge platform to hawk his brand new anti-trump book. but a lot of revelations in here that should scare the living daylights out of anybody that believes in the rule of law and our constitution. take a look. >> i was speaking to the man who had just run for the presidency.id and won the election for the presidency. and who might have done so with the aid of the government of russia, our most formidable adversary on the world stage. and that was something that troubled me greatly. >> sean: maybe, i think so, i thought when we dealt with the rule of law, we needed something called evidence.de and, of course, they have no evidence of collusion. look at the bipartisan senate intelligence committee this week.ai they said they have no evidence after two years of any collusion. now look on your screen. top fbi lawyer who worked for mccabe, lisa page and add james comey and others lisa page admitting, in fact, in 2016 and 2017 along with comey in

we get more on mccabe's version. he says that rod rosenstein, the deputy attorney general, suggested wearing a wire when he was around the president to record him secretly, and invoking the 25th amendment, and who in the cabinet might vote and how would they vote. what the justice department has said, pushing back against this, since the first revelations about this, were that, yes, rosenstein made some mention of this but that it was sarcastic. and the justice department has a statement out today saying none of this was ever pursued. so you have somewhat of a difference between mccabe and doj over that. the other thing the justice department says today, by the way, is that after mueller was appointed special counsel, mccabe was out of the picture in terms of running the investigation, that he was formally taken off of it. that's a little more forward leaning than we've heard his role was. it was certainly diminished but woe haven't heard it quite put that way. >> a very quick response from president trump but also f

mccabe came on describing two days later. mccabe -- rosenstein asked my thoughts about whether we needed a special counsel to oversees the russia case. i thought it would help the russian investigation. later that day, rosenstein again, this is the gist of what i said. >> i feel strongly that the investigation will be best served by having a special counsel. i have been thinking about the clinton e-mail case and how we got twisted in knots about how to announce the results. had we appointed a special counsel in the clinton's case, we may not be in the present situation. robert mueller, high level meeting at the fbi and doj. this may be the most explosive part of the book about removing the president using the 25th amendment. >> there were meetings at the justice department in which it was discussed whether the vice president and a majority of the cabinet could be brought together to remove the president of the united states. th these were the eight days of comey firing to the point of robert mueller was appointed special coun

mccabe, you remember, was dismissed from the f.b.i. for leaking information to the press, so you got remember the source here. >> brennan: there has been some parsing, though, of whether these were extended discussions versus conversations about the 25th amendment. >> right. >> brennan: do you know whether those conversations have taken place? >> no, but i think everybody in the country needs to know if it happened. it's stunning to me that one of the chief law enforcement officers of the land, the acting head of the f.b.i., would go on national television and say, oh, by the way, i remember a conversation with the deputy attorney general about trying to find if we could replace the president under the 25th amendment. we're a democracy. people enforce the law. they can't take it into their own hands. and was this an attempted bureaucratic coup? i don't know. i don't know who is telling the truth. i know rosenstein has vehemently denied it. but we'll get to the bottom of business about fisa warrants being issued against carter page, abo

even though mccabe was describing things that we already knew. we already knew about this 25th amendment conversation, this wearing a wiretap conversation. we already knew that mccabe had authorized these investigations of the president himself, was hearing his voice, watching him sit down and describe these hectic days in may 2017 after james comey is fired by president trump, when president trump sort of connects that to the russia investigation in an interview, just hearing him describe that is so-so remarkable. it seems like we're now trending towards the potential end of the mueller investigation, but we shouldn't lose sight of whatever that end is of how remarkable some of these moments, you know, along the way have been. >> barb, it's pretty clear that forces loyal to the president are going to try to make this book about the anecdote, about potentially recording the president, and make this all about that and focus their fire on that, but there is apparently a lot in this book. based on your practice, how tough or easy it is to write a st

mccabe's actions.eople were out making money building sky scrapers he was building cases and throwing people behind bars and making the country safer because of it. so there's that side of him. obviously the inspector general who's also highly regarded found andrew mccabe lied to investigators. so andrew mccabe is not pure here when it comes to his career. but i think what is happening here we've seen this president do it over and over again. he'll take one thing, drive a wedge in it. try to drive a mack truck through a small wedge and try to make it out to be something much larger. obviously the lies mccabe are terrible and he has to atone for that. but i think what the president is trying to do and what we can expect from this book is you're going to have the white house saying because andrew mccabe lied to the inspector general everything he said must be a lie. and when you're dealing with defendants just because you have people telling these certain things their own candor doesn't mean everything t

mccabe and the president.e white house and the president said they're going to come out and said because mccabe lied to the inspector general these are all lies so i think they'll be refuted. but until we hear some other kind of corroboration about ha this context was, it would be hard to really nail down what the president was saying and what andy mccabe heard and what it all meant. >> laura, let me read you a response from the justice department yesterday. i think it's notable in and of itself of that justice proper decided to put out an official statement about the leaks from the andy mccabe book and the interview he was doing. justice says as the deputy attorney general, this is rod rosenstein previously stated, based on his personal dealings with the president, there's no basis continue to invoke the 25th amendment nor was the deputy attorney general in a position to consider invoking the 25th amendment. i will note as a careful parser of statements, that doesn't say there weren't discussions inside justi

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mccabe is opening this on his own. ways, the fbi faced so much criticism for going it alone. we think about james comey not informing the attorney general about what he was doing. so i think that's the tension you see here. on the one hand, it's a big deal. you are going to be doing it when these consequences come up. >> jeffrey, andrew mccabe said that it was no joke when conversations came up about removing the president of the united states through the 25th amendment to the constitution or having rod rosenstein, the deputy attorney general of the united states, wear a wire to go into the oval office and tape the president. what do you make of that? >> you know, we have heard the than a year. i think just by sheer repetition, we have become inyou are in innured how serious this is. the fact the leadership of the fbi thought the president was so compromised by russia, his own cabinet might have to force him out of office. he was obstructing justice to such an extent that they had to hire a special prosecutor. this is

but you know mccabe. why is he writing about this and going on national television to talk about this? >> his critics are going to say that he's written a book and is trying to sell a book. his critics may also say he's reportedly the subject of an ongoing grand jury investigation. >> he was fired for misleading the fbi about his interactions with the media. something he addressed and said he does, i want to get the quote right. he says he's never seen an oig report like that. it's not like anything he's ever read before. he plans to sue. >> there's a lot of back and forth. we're going to hear a lot of back and forth about that report. it's a damaging report. damaging to his credibility. and he is the subject reportedly of an ongoing jury investigation wrapt to those alleged misstatements. his critics are going to say there are a lot of reasons he's saying this stuff. i think on the whole, the sobering series of events that have to be taken seriously. >> gregg. thank you. if president trump wanted a fight

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in the cbs report the white house already called what andrew mccabe -- the probe andrew mccabe openedp baseless. so that's something from the president i expect shortly. >> laura jared just laid out for us part of rod rosenstein's response to the article that contained allegations of him talking about wearing a wire and the 25th amendment. i was reminded of rosenstein's remarks at the time. let me be clear, based on my personal dealings with the president there is no basis to invoke the 25th amendment. the word choice is important. he doesn't say in the response a few months ago we never talked about invoking the 25th amendment. he says there is no basis to invoke it. what do you think? >> well, both things can be true. based on his personal experience with the president of the united states he has now come to the conclusion that the 25th amendment is not warranted. it can be true that what andrew mccabe has said that there was a discussion about whether to pursue it and whether to wear a wire in the instance of trying to figure out and assess whether the president of the united state

mccabe is speaking out about the investigation of the president. enraged trump is now claiming, quote, treason. in his interview on "60 minutes" airing yesterday mccabe described the aftermath of comey's sudden firing by the president in may of 2017. most importantly mccabe explained why trump's actions prompted him to open an obstruction investigation and a counterintelligence probe of the president. >> there were a number of things that caused us to believe that we had adequate predication or adequate reason, facts to open the investigation. the president had gone to jim comey and specifically asked him to discontinue the investigation of mike flynn which was a part of our russia case. the president then fired the director. these circumstances are facts that indicated that a crime may have been committed. the president may have been engaged in obstruction of justice in the firing of jim comey. all those same sorts of facts cause us to wonder, is there an inappropriate relationship, a connection between this president and our most fearsome enemy,

mccabe's.t they say is, yes, rosenstein did it sarcastically, like, what do you want me to do, andy? wear a wire? mccabe thinks it was serious enough to go talk to the fbi general counsel. the justice department did put a statement out when the excerpts came out last week and here is a relevant portion. they say mr. mccabe's reser tagz of events is factually incorrect. the deputy attorney general never authorized any recording that mr. mccabe references. it doesn't say that he didn't talk about it. he said he didn't authorize it. it was talked about, we have varying accounts about how seriously they were brought up and of course, as they say it didn't happen. one other point just to make clear. wearing a wire is cop talk. what it means is wearing a hidden recording device and this is commonly used when you put somebody in to talk to someone to gather evidence. >> chuck rosenberg, you've worked with all of these people. andrew mccabe, extraordinary interview and shocking on so many levels and we

what are the invocations for mccabe?> let's start with the application as far as the president is concerned, that this is confirmation of the existence of a deep state at the fbi. and the department of justice. my reaction to all of this is not that i needed to believe andy mccabe on the point, but that the fact is the justice department is in more trouble than we ever imagined. >> melissa: let me play the devil's advocate on that and flip it over the other way. what they have needed to see or what would we need to see now from the mueller probe in order to justify them feeling that way? that he was in league with russia and that he was a threat to democracy, and it was up to them to find a way to get him out of office? would you need to see from the mueller probe some sort of communication back and forth that proves he was a puppet of russia? what would that team need to bring to the floor not to justify what they may have done their? >> it wasn't their place. first of all, who the actors in a mccabe? is not elected to